ASA Paint Jobs

[Oakum_Boy]

Yeah who cares what it looks like. Just put a bag over it and go.

 

[VeeOne]

I dunno but I saw that SW 900 with that eyesore of a paint job the other day. If we could only get paint jobs like that, it would be.... O'tah.

First time I saw it I thought it was painted up for some kind of Gay Pride Parade. Somebody park that thing in Key West?????

 

[John Pennekamp]

It looks-s-s Super Fabulous-s-s-s! Yay!

 

[~~~^~~~]

First time I saw it I thought it was painted up for some kind of Gay Pride Parade. Somebody park that thing in Key West?????

Really? I thought it had been vandalized, or was left on the ramp in New Orleans during Katrina and put back together, or had caught fire.

But then when I saw what it was, I realized it had been taken & got a quick re-spray.

Are they advertising the second year pay on the side of the airplane? Why does it say $35?

 

[N1VIBS]

Come on people!!! Someones got to have a picture of this aircraft to post. After all these comments I want to see the damn thing!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Have your airsickness bag at the ready line.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1230759/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1060738/M/

 

[N1VIBS]

Have your airsickness bag at the ready line.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1230759/M/

At one time I thought the ASA "Stone Mountain" paint job had to be the ugliest CRJ in the world. Guess I was wrong!!!

 

[701EV]

God that THING is Fu*&*^%king UGLY!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes the paint job is ugly, but let's remember the important part.... it would have had an ASA paint job....

Who cares what the paint job is.... those were going to be ASA aircraft.....

 

[ASARJMan]

Yes the paint job is ugly, but let's remember the important part.... it would have had an ASA paint job....

Who cares what the paint job is.... those were going to be ASA aircraft.....

You didn't state who you're blaming Joey, ALPA or management, for ASA not flying them.

 

[ASARJMan]

So does it bother anyone else that ASA is the only DCI carrier that does not have a new Delta Paint job?

Doesn't bother me. Paint 'em all white for generic flying in the future.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I blame Option #4.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You didn't state who you're blaming Joey, ALPA or management, for ASA not flying them.

I blame ALPA..... management (JA) only followed thru on his threat..... We are now a commodity because ALPA has failed to deal with the fee-for-departure whipsaw.....

Either accept it or change it.... I prefer to change it, but people like you don't want to hold ALPA accountable for their failures and change things... so now we need to accept that we are competing with one another...

Those were ASA orders, and the first aircraft had an EV tail number. ALPA wants to play hardball (even though we are pitching softballs) and JA continues to hit them out of the park....

Jerry will play ball to a certain point, and then he is going to take his ball home.....

Nothing ALPA can do about that.....

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I blame ALPA..... management (JA) only followed thru on his threat..... We are now a commodity because ALPA has failed to deal with the fee-for-departure whipsaw.....

Either accept it or change it.... I prefer to change it, but people like you don't want to hold ALPA accountable for their failures and change things... so now we need to accept that we are competing with one another...

Those were ASA orders, and the first aircraft had an EV tail number. ALPA wants to play hardball (even though we are pitching softballs) and JA continues to hit them out of the park....

Jerry will play ball to a certain point, and then he is going to take his ball home.....

Nothing ALPA can do about that.....

Once again, in plain English....

Your solution is..................?

No more abstracts. I want specifics. Fix this problem, and make me a believer.......

 

[jeroom]

Who cares if it's a new paint job, an old one...or else..
they all look like the same from the inside. (well, almost...)

 

[JoeMerchant]

Once again, in plain English....

Your solution is..................?

No more abstracts. I want specifics. Fix this problem, and make me a believer.......

Once again "IN PLAIN ENGLISH"....I have posted it numerous times on BOTH message boards..... not my fault if you haven't read it or if you have ignored it....

1. As with any emergency..... "fly the airplane", or "stop the bleeding".....

We do not need more competitors within the whipsaw game. We do not need more Compass or MidAtlantics. ALPA needs to quit creating more cheap whipsaws....

They also don't need to sign language such as that in the last NWA ALPA agreement that eliminates current ALPA regionals from future flying in favor of other whipsaws..... just so mainline pilots can take a "bargaining credit" at the table...

2. Honest to goodness "brand scope" or "inclusive scope"..... use ALPA's label or RJDCs label..... I don't care.... stop putting more flying "out for bid"....

3. Implement a national seniority list..... otherwise forget about people laying everything on the line..... I don't want to hear excuses..... the simple fact is, without a safety net, nobody is going to lead you up the hill when you say "charge"....

4. Barriers to entry. No other profesion allows people with such little experience. It is BOTH a safety issue and a collective bargaining issue. If ALPA can argue that a 60 year old pilot is dangerous when he wasn't the day before, surely they can argue that it is dangerous to have 250 hour pilots in a 121 cockpit..... double standard that is harmfull.....

5. Barring any meaningful movement on the first 4 issues above, then we need to accept that we are competing with each other, and as such we need to be competitive... I would prefer working on the first 4, but I am not holding my breath....

Either stop the competition within a brand, or compete..... it's really quite simple. Don't continue to allow it and then b!tch about it because you don't like it....

Plain enough English..... I have posted it before....

Now FmrFreight... in plain English what is YOUR solution? Continue status quo? Continue to support a failed plan, or change strategies..... What is YOUR solution?

Please spare me the canned "ALPA speaks for me and I tell them what to do....."

 

[PositionandHold]

Kind of off topic, but is ASA hats optional?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Once again "IN PLAIN ENGLISH"....I have posted it numerous times on BOTH message boards..... not my fault if you haven't read it or if you have ignored it....

1. As with any emergency..... "fly the airplane", or "stop the bleeding".....

We do not need more competitors within the whipsaw game. We do not need more Compass or MidAtlantics. ALPA needs to quit creating more cheap whipsaws....

They also don't need to sign language such as that in the last NWA ALPA agreement that eliminates current ALPA regionals from future flying in favor of other whipsaws..... just so mainline pilots can take a "bargaining credit" at the table...

2. Honest to goodness "brand scope" or "inclusive scope"..... use ALPA's label or RJDCs label..... I don't care.... stop putting more flying "out for bid"....

3. Implement a national seniority list..... otherwise forget about people laying everything on the line..... I don't want to hear excuses..... the simple fact is, without a safety net, nobody is going to lead you up the hill when you say "charge"....

4. Barriers to entry. No other profesion allows people with such little experience. It is BOTH a safety issue and a collective bargaining issue. If ALPA can argue that a 60 year old pilot is dangerous when he wasn't the day before, surely they can argue that it is dangerous to have 250 hour pilots in a 121 cockpit..... double standard that is harmfull.....

5. Barring any meaningful movement on the first 4 issues above, then we need to accept that we are competing with each other, and as such we need to be competitive... I would prefer working on the first 4, but I am not holding my breath....

Either stop the competition within a brand, or compete..... it's really quite simple. Don't continue to allow it and then b!tch about it because you don't like it....

Plain enough English..... I have posted it before....

Now FmrFreight... in plain English what is YOUR solution? Continue status quo? Continue to support a failed plan, or change strategies..... What is YOUR solution?

Please spare me the canned "ALPA speaks for me and I tell them what to do....."

Joe,

I honestly don't have a simple solution. I agree wholeheartedly with all of your bullet points except for number 3. I think the barriers to a national seniority list are so high that the concept in unattainable. Also, when you are dealing with a tiered industry like ours, I feel the concept is unrealistic.

Speaking of unrealistic, as much as I appreciate the ideals you speak of, I don't ever see any of it coming to fruition.

Speaking to point number one.. managements drive the creation of alter-egos far more than ALPA does. Due to the mechanics of the RLA, ALPA pilots find themselves working under contracts that were written long before 9/11 and the latest unraveling of the airline industry was ever a consideration. ALPA is, for lack of a better term here, a victim of circumstance. The contracts they negotiated in '98, '99, and '00 had no way of seeing the future that we now find ourselves in. Consequently, they never thought to negotiate provisions to protect themselves from the unthinkable. When Delta pilots ratified contract '00 ('01 maybe?? I can't remember), the idea that 49% of their flying would someday be farmed out was such an unthinkable concept that they would have been irresponsible to waste negotiating capital to prevent it.

Speaking to point #2... I agree with you, but ALPA does not have the ability, given the current mainline contracts, to stop the RFP nightmare.

In my version of plain english, regardless of how ALPA feels about the whipsaw, the RFPs, the competition within a brand, and the newly minted cutthroat nature of the regional flying industry, they do not have the contractual muscle to fall back on in order to stop it. No current legacy carrier's contract contains suitable language to put an end to the situation we are in.

I feel that, as the fortunes of the legacy carriers improve, the pilots will be in a position to put an end to what we all have been experiencing for the last several years. Unfortunately, they will put an end to it by taking back the flying they have lost in the last 5 years or so. When that happens, there will be multitudes of regional guys who will complain that mainline is stealing "their flying", but they will never stop to think that it was flying that was stolen away from mainline in the first place.

We are subcontractors. When you came to work here, you knew that you would, in essence, be the "drywall guy". Now it seems that the drywall guy feels he's entitled to be the general contractor simply by virtue of the fact that he's been the "drywall guy" for the last 15 years. All of us knew what we were getting into when we took the job. Only a select few of us are arrogant enough to think we can change the rules of the game after kickoff.....

As for point #4, I agree with you 100%. We should not be in the situation we are in where a pilot who is unqualified to fly single pilot night freight is, somehow, magically qualified to sit in the right seat of an airliner. This is, in my opinion, the biggest threat to our profession today.

 

[Papa Woody]

We should not be in the situation we are in where a pilot who is unqualified to fly single pilot night freight is, somehow, magically qualified to sit in the right seat of an airliner. This is, in my opinion, the biggest threat to our profession today.

THAT is an excellent point.

If only the flying public knew. It's such a morale-killer for the experienced pilots, and until a crash is blamed on it, nothing will be done.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Kind of off topic, but is ASA hats optional?

Sure...No contract no hats!