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atlcrashpad

atlcrashpad

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How's dah On time performance? From watt I seez it gwoin down hill in dah last few weeks.... Bouyyyyyyyyy....
 
Who cares. We do not have f/o's to fly the flights. They are pulling instructors to fly right seat trips.
 
sweptback said:
So you're telling me nobody wants to work for 19.02 an hour? Shocking!
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It has NOTHING to do with 19.02 an hour. The vast majority of pilots who apply to regionals don't even look at that. They are only interested in PIC time so they can move to the majors. It has become a means to an end, and that is part of the problem. The sooner we accept that reality, the sooner we can work on solving the problem it is causing. Denial of that fact isn't helping the situation....

Thankfully, supply and demand is finally starting to kick in, but it isn't because of 19.02 an hour. Just think what we could do if it wasn't so easy to get into the right seat of a 121 carrier...

The regionals will continue to fill classes at 19-22 bucks an hour because it is much better than CFI work and it is a means to an end...
 
Just wait until June 1st when the ramp/gate agents go to delta...i heard that only 50% of the ASA ramp/gate agents actually applied with delta. Should be interesting!
 
ACL65PILOT said:
Who cares. We do not have f/o's to fly the flights. They are pulling instructors to fly right seat trips.
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Haven't seen that yet, but I did see Scott Hall in uniform flying the line yesterday. He was mumbling something about scheduling and, "I'm going to talk to them tomorrow about this" in a perturb voice.
Maybe the realities of line flying hit him square in the gut....or atleast hopefully they did!!
 
Classic, We Just Suck!!!
 
Airboss said:
Just wait until June 1st when the ramp/gate agents go to delta...i heard that only 50% of the ASA ramp/gate agents actually applied with delta. Should be interesting!
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Dat's good cause DAL wood only hire 25% of dem anyways... Now dat saves um' postage fo turn down letters... Bouyyyyyyyyy....
 
Are You The Basetball Jones?
 
The regionals are not filling classes. The people who do become pilots want to go to the majors, but over the last few years new pilots starts are down almost 50%. The shortage of pilots will force airlines to sweeten the pot in order to fill cockpits. Even people who are willing to sell out to mgmt and get paid less than they're worth (JB) will be forced to take the increase in pay and QOL. Some airlines will not be able to increase pay without taking the loss and those will be out of business. The ones that remain will have more pricing power due to lack of competition. It's just the way business cycles work.
 
And we care because WHY.....:laugh::laugh:.....it is obvious that the company does not care, so WHY SHOULD WE?
 
Sinca3 said:
Haven't seen that yet, but I did see Scott Hall in uniform flying the line yesterday. He was mumbling something about scheduling and, "I'm going to talk to them tomorrow about this" in a perturb voice.
Maybe the realities of line flying hit him square in the gut....or atleast hopefully they did!!
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Scott was extend for an overnight into his vacation.
 
If they are pulling instructors to cover flights. Doesn't that increase the cost CSM too much?? Paying 2 Captains plus the Instructor override.

I thought we were the most expensive pilot group out there. That is what Management is telling us. Too expensive eh??
 
But it is more expensive not to have the flight go.

Many people have been extended. Management is no exception. One of the CP's got extended twice.
We do not have the pilots to complete our schedule. Point fingers all you want. It is just a fact that there is not enough to go around. We are borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. It will bite us in the a$$ big time. I give this sort of utilization no more than two months to implode.
 
JoeMerchant said:
It has NOTHING to do with 19.02 an hour. The vast majority of pilots who apply to regionals don't even look at that. They are only interested in PIC time so they can move to the majors. It has become a means to an end, and that is part of the problem. The sooner we accept that reality, the sooner we can work on solving the problem it is causing. Denial of that fact isn't helping the situation....

Thankfully, supply and demand is finally starting to kick in, but it isn't because of 19.02 an hour. Just think what we could do if it wasn't so easy to get into the right seat of a 121 carrier...

The regionals will continue to fill classes at 19-22 bucks an hour because it is much better than CFI work and it is a means to an end...
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Maybe, maybe not. $19.02/hr. might be acceptable when there are only a few jobs available. With the current shortage, young whelps might actually go to an airline that treats them with at least basic human respect.

ASA pay is only the beginning of the pathology and the word is finally getting out.
 
I had one short leg the other day for the last day of a four day...........AND I WAS EXTENDED TWICE!!!!!!!! Got in, call scheduling ---- extented for round trip. Got back......call scheduling ------EXTENDED AGAIN!!!!!!
This place...........
 
I know a lot of pilots that are hitting 30 in 7 too. Be sure to check that logbook. What's better, scheduling is telling pilots that "legal to start legal to finish" applies to 30/7 and some chief pilots are backing scheduling. This is not true- 30/7 is a hard limit, just like 16 hours. "Legal to start..." only applies to the 8 hour rule.
 
JoeMerchant said:
It has NOTHING to do with 19.02 an hour. The vast majority of pilots who apply to regionals don't even look at that. They are only interested in PIC time so they can move to the majors. It has become a means to an end, and that is part of the problem. The sooner we accept that reality, the sooner we can work on solving the problem it is causing. Denial of that fact isn't helping the situation....

Thankfully, supply and demand is finally starting to kick in, but it isn't because of 19.02 an hour. Just think what we could do if it wasn't so easy to get into the right seat of a 121 carrier...

The regionals will continue to fill classes at 19-22 bucks an hour because it is much better than CFI work and it is a means to an end...
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Correct insight. What exactly could WE do about it?
 
John Pennekamp said:
I know a lot of pilots that are hitting 30 in 7 too. Be sure to check that logbook. What's better, scheduling is telling pilots that "legal to start legal to finish" applies to 30/7 and some chief pilots are backing scheduling. This is not true- 30/7 is a hard limit, just like 16 hours. "Legal to start..." only applies to the 8 hour rule.
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According to the FAA interpretation site, it does apply to 30/7. Go here and read situation number 2.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...0/interpretations/data/interps/1992/Reich.rtf
 
But not an extention. If I am scheduled to 29.5 in seven days and get in suoer early on a given day, I'm done.
 
doh said:
You can only exceed 30/7 if you were originally scheduled for less. If they extend you, you are now scheduled to exceed 30/7. Not legal. And that applies only to your last day. So if you started the last day legal, had to hold, then you could finish.
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This is correct 100%
 
regionalcap said:
According to the FAA interpretation site, it does apply to 30/7. Go here and read situation number 2.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...0/interpretations/data/interps/1992/Reich.rtf
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From the page you cite:
In response to your second question we have attached a prior interpretation to Captain Lloyd W. Barry, dated September 9, 1987, that discusses the "30 in 7" rule. Briefly stated, the FAA has consistently interpreted compliance with the "30 in 7" flight time limitation to be based primarily on a flight crewmember's actual flight hours. A correct interpretation of the "30 in 7" limitation, together with the flexibility provision of subparagraph (g), results in a requirement to add a flight crewmember's actual flight time accumulated in the previous days to the flight time scheduled to be flown on the current day. If this total is less than 30 hours, the flight crewmember may begin and complete the day's scheduled flying even if events beyond the control of the air carrier cause total actual flight time to exceed 30 hours. The same process is repeated for each successive day of flying for the 7 consecutive days.

Given your facts, if the scheduled flight time for the fourth day when added to the actual accumulated flight time for the previous 3 days exceeds 30 hours then the flight crewmember's total flight time would be in excess of that allowed under FAR 121.471(a).
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So based on this interpretation, it goes on a "day by day" basis. You must not be scheduled for more than 30 in 7 on any given day, including actual block flown the previous 6 days. In this interpretation, "legal to start, legal to finish" only applies to "delays beyond the company's control" ON THAT DAY, not previous days.

So if you fly overblock the first 3 days of a 4 day, and when you add it up the morning of the 4th day, if your scheduled flights on the 4th day of your trip take you over 30, you are NOT LEGAL TO FINISH THE TRIP, by this interpretation.
 
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We can't even get our own people in DEN straightened out. Do you honestly think short of firing every single person in ATL that this is going to get fixed?
 

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