ASA Occurence "system"

[flyby]

Huh?

I have been sitting on reserve all week without a call and I have my two days off coming up. So what do they do? The night before my days off they deadhead me somewhere so I can fly it back and get in at 10:30 at night. BS!

I don't understand your complaint. You were on duty. The others in this thread were off duty and given occurences for being unable to accept a junior man assignment.

 

[av8er2]

Hey Mr. FAA if you want to do your job this is one system you need to look at!!

This has made a lot of ASA pilots fly sick and bust FAR's over the years. I can't believe the FAA has allowed this. I can say all of this because I have been here long enough to see it in action.

100% of ASA pilots I have ever discussed this subject with feel it is dangerous and against the FAR's.

 

[~~~^~~~]

It is worse with the poor flight attendants. They fire them for sick calls at the drop of a hat. I have asked several flight attendants to call in sick when it was obvious they should not be out flying. They are required crew and if, God forbid, we ever have to emergency evac, how the flight attendents perform is more important to passenger safety than what I do after the parking brake gets set.

 

[erj-145mech]

Hey Mr. FAA if you want to do your job this is one system you need to look at!!

This has made a lot of ASA pilots fly sick and bust FAR's over the years. I can't believe the FAA has allowed this. I can say all of this because I have been here long enough to see it in action.

100% of ASA pilots I have ever discussed this subject with feel it is dangerous and against the FAR's.

Continental Express (ExpressJet) has this policy also. A couple of LEC's wrote the POI about this subject. The official reply is that the FAA has no stance on company policy or contractural affairs. In other words, the FAA is in the companies corner.

 

[sgwabd]

True story. An ASA RJ Captain is in his boat fishing on his day off. As is common when fishing, this pilot is enjoying the malted beverage of his choice. The phone rings, he answers it and is junior manned for a trip with a two hour call out, but "get to the airport as soon as you can." He says, I can't fly, I'm out in the middle of a lake with a beer in my hand. They say tough, you get an occurrence for being unavailable for assignment and we already put this trip on you. He gets an occurrence and his sick bank gets whacked for the value of the trip. The kicker is that since he was under guarantee, he gets no pay for all the sick time that he just got taken from him.

Twice I have been called on my day off, told them I was simply not available and I have the occurrences to show for it. It absolutely sucks to be with your family enjoying one of your measly 11 to 12 days off several hours from the airport and to get whacked.

Sure, you say, "don't answer the phone" but sometimes your wife answers the phone before you have time to scream "Nooooooooooooo!" and dive across the living room like a scene out of the Matrix.

Pur next contract M U S T severely limit non voluntary junior manning and like Fed Ex, the Company should have to declare an emergency and pay 250% to rob us of our time. We are not slaves, we have lives out of work. A day off is not a day of reserve. This concept is a strike issue for this pilot.

Just because your wife answers the phone, doesn't mean you have to take the call unless you are on reserve during the time at the call. Just tell your wife to tell the caller, my husband isn't taking phone calls. No one lies, and you don't get junior manned.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Just because your wife answers the phone, doesn't mean you have to take the call unless you are on reserve during the time at the call. Just tell your wife to tell the caller, my husband isn't taking phone calls. No one lies, and you don't get junior manned.

Yeah but unfortunately your wife gets an occourance now. :erm:

The company only has my cell phone, and if I don't recognize the number no matter what area code pops up, you can leave a message and I'll call you right back.

 

[J bar]

From the original 3 nap senerio and you plan on being sick for the 3 naps..... can you non-rev between your pairings or it considered a big no-no. My time off is my time off right? Or not?

I know to jump with someone else is still the best answer, but what if there is not too many options.

 

[HoserASA]

>>>>I wonder if the feds (Kosta and Turner) are aware of the ASA's attempt to coerce pilots into flying while sick because of this system. <<<<<

You kidding me? Feds are more concerned about you placing your overnight bag in the overhead!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

From the original 3 nap senerio and you plan on being sick for the 3 naps..... can you non-rev between your pairings or it considered a big no-no. My time off is my time off right? Or not?

I know to jump with someone else is still the best answer, but what if there is not too many options.

If you are sick according to the company's records, I wouldn't dare set foot on a plane as a non-rev. Now, if there is some dire emergency or other circumstances, I would contact a Chief Pilot for help. I've heard of people being fired for non-reving while officially out sick from work.

 

[NoPlaneNoGain]

True story. An ASA RJ Captain is in his boat fishing on his day off. As is common when fishing, this pilot is enjoying the malted beverage of his choice. The phone rings, he answers it and is junior manned for a trip with a two hour call out, but "get to the airport as soon as you can." He says, I can't fly, I'm out in the middle of a lake with a beer in my hand. They say tough, you get an occurrence for being unavailable for assignment and we already put this trip on you. He gets an occurrence and his sick bank gets whacked for the value of the trip. The kicker is that since he was under guarantee, he gets no pay for all the sick time that he just got taken from him.

Twice I have been called on my day off, told them I was simply not available and I have the occurrences to show for it. It absolutely sucks to be with your family enjoying one of your measly 11 to 12 days off several hours from the airport and to get whacked.

Sure, you say, "don't answer the phone" but sometimes your wife answers the phone before you have time to scream "Nooooooooooooo!" and dive across the living room like a scene out of the Matrix.

Pur next contract M U S T severely limit non voluntary junior manning and like Fed Ex, the Company should have to declare an emergency and pay 250% to rob us of our time. We are not slaves, we have lives out of work. A day off is not a day of reserve. This concept is a strike issue for this pilot.

This one is easy!
You first get the Schedulers name, ID#, and the CONFIRMATION # for the trip. Then you tell them that you ACCEPT the trip, BUT since you are on the lake and have a beer in your hand that you will be there for the trip in at least 8 hours (bottle-to-throttle). Of course, this will defeat the purpose of the scheduler calling you since they need you now, but you have accepted the trip and that is the earliest that you can be there. Now, the scheduler will probably change his mind and give the trip to someone else. The beauty of this scenario is that you now have a confirmation # to claim on your paysheet!

 

[J32driver]

My airline has the same occurance system as ASA. Long story short, it is a scare tactic to keep people from abusing sick time with absolutely no teeth. The company knows they will land in court if they ever take job action over the policy. The only thing they can do is stomp up and down and scream "Thats another occurance!". Fine give me 5 occurances in a year and see if it changes anything. It never does. We've got people with this company that have destroyed the yearly limits and the company can do nothing about it!

If my history is correct. I think this policy originated at Continental. I also think it went to court and the Company got shot down. Maybe a Continental guy can verify that.

 

[wms]

The contract says you don't have to be available, so if some one answers and they're looking for you, they just say "he's not available." It'll even work if you accidentally answer the phone yourself as long as you don't ID yourself.

 

["GO AROUND"]

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[~~~^~~~]

nevermind

 

[av8er2]

Keep good records of all visits to doctors. Anytime I am sick I go to a doctor, keep records and think about filling out an FMLA form.

They can stick their occurance system you know where. I would like to see them try to do anything to a pilot who has good records when calling in sick.

This shows how unprofessional ASA mgt. is, that they would have this kind of system that scares a lot of pilots into flying and goes against

Many pilots fly sick to save their occurance alotment allowed each 12 month period.

Sure the FARs say don't but ASA has a system in place that does not encourage safety.

I flew with a flight attendent recently that should of been at home but she did not want to use a occurance for just one day line. This then could cause her to get other crew members sick. Real smart ASA!!

 

[indianboy7]

It is worse with the poor flight attendants. They fire them for sick calls at the drop of a hat. I have asked several flight attendants to call in sick when it was obvious they should not be out flying. They are required crew and if, God forbid, we ever have to emergency evac, how the flight attendents perform is more important to passenger safety than what I do after the parking brake gets set.

Someone should tell the people in charge of United's flight attendants that.....and they're not worthless cuz they're sick either......