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I don't know about you, but I haven't had a raise in 5 years. Time for the company to bone up and get real at the negotiating table!

You have had a raise, and it is time for BOTH sides to "get real" at the table. Asking for a Bfund retirement and a large 70 seat raise has held up the raise for the 50 seat guys.

When you want to play the game, you have to live with the results.

Had the other plan been adopted, you would have gotten your COLA years ago...
 
How incredible is it that our company hypes up offering some of it's employees a raise that is equal to the increase in cost of living for the year.

Yet offering a parallel raise to it's pilot group is off the table.

I bet BL, SH, and Tutt are keeping up with inflation

I suspect a "parallel raise" is on the table, but you and others want more......
 
There are many at the 15 and 18 year marks that haven't had a raise for years. We do have pilots who have been here over 25 years you know.

I'm glad you pointed this out. For once we agree on something. The fact of the matter is, even if ALPA gets what they are asking for, the 18+ folks on the 700 are going to get the shaft.

This group hasn't been getting any raises, and they won't get much of a raise even with the table position. So much for "no pilot left behind". The 18+ year 700 pilots will be left behind, and their pay isn't going to keep up with inflation...

But then I doubt many people really care.....
 
Yes, and they have self-esteem issues to boot. I'm amazed at how many people feel they are worth so little. Very sad.


What I am "worth" means little if my job is replaced by a Skywest, Mesa, or CHQ pilot.... or a mainline pilot for that matter.....

Based on "pattern bargaining", the only group here not making what they are "worth" are the 50 seat captains. Every other group is in the upper range or the top of the industry.....
 
if the union wasn't being unreasonable you would have been released 2-3 years ago!
 
Homework assignment for those of you talking about "inflation". What should the 18 year 700 captain rate be based simply on "inflation"? What are we asking for? Why aren't we asking for at least the inflation adjusted rate?
 
TA coming today, or tomorrow.......

Just thinking positive, but.....If it breaks off tonight, and they extend to tomorrow, it has got to be really close. Hopefully the mediator will not leave town without closing the deal!!!

79%,

I agree that we are very close now. The mediator has put a "gag rule" on information and that is indicative of the end game. If we don't actually see a TA, we will be very close.

I suspect both sides have made significant movement. ALPA has probably moderated on back pay, 700 pay, and maybe accepted PBS side letter. Management has probably given on the COLA and some scope.

Deal is close.....
 
Joe Merchant....

I believe everything you say, because you post all day and night-that means you are way smart.... And by that, I mean a total loser with no life.
-You suck, alex!
 
Asking for...a large 70 seat raise has held up the raise for the 50 seat guys.

The fact of the matter is...the 18+ folks on the 700 are going to get the shaft....The 18+ year 700 pilots will be left behind, and their pay isn't going to keep up with inflation...

But then I doubt many people really care.....

Unbelievable. We just can't win with you, can we Joe?

The 700 guys are screwing the 200 guys who are screwing the 700 guys. Repeat as necessary...

It's everyone's fault in your eyes. Which is it? Do we ask for 200 raises or do we ask for 700 raises? You're saying both groups deserve it, yet you also say that we're doing the wrong thing by asking for it.

You're always the first one to point the finger at ALPA, but you never offer any meaningful solution to our present position. Outside of complaining about ALPA, the only two things I've heard you say on this board are:

1)Vote for the "Coalition", we'll get it done. We can't tell you how or why or what, just trust us.

2)Decertify ALPA. How that will help our negotiations, well, who knows. But I don't like them, so let's get them out.

I don't think anyone here really doubts that you are educated about the process and you're educated about the facts, but you undermine your own potential with your blatant hatred of ALPA, your refusal to perform the duties of your position, while not asking to be removed from it and using the title in your signature anyway, and your association with the RJDC.

Just once, instead of acting like you're so much smarter than everyone here and telling them how they don't know what they really need, try telling us how you would fix the problem. What exactly do you think it fair and attainable? How exactly do you justify the sacrifices you think are necessary? And finally, when it's all said and done, where do we go from here?

I, and so many here, are so very tired of your broken-record responses. I hope this deal is close just to see what you have to post here when you don't have the CNC to complain about.
 
We will have a TA because the MEC has heard that ASA Aviator wants to upgrade at any cost. In order to do that, we will just keep the current contract so we can get all the new growth and all the junior FO's can upgrade and go to UPS/FedEx next year....
 

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