ASA newhires getting second year pay.

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Because the company feels it is worth the risk to have a three year CA filling the same slot as a twenty year CA. With all of the automation, the belief is that this will save most inexperienced pilots from themselves.

Tarzan, I know you are right, but this is a risky game. Airplanes are not automated appliances.

Automation will not make a good decision when there are braking action reports, a good crosswind and a flights arriving National, Midway, or LaGuardia. Automation will not do anything for you when dealing with a confusing MEL, or dispatch under exemption to some airport with items NOTAM'd inop. The CRJ2 has higher V speeds than anything else at the airport and operates closer to its MGTOW with less power to overcome bad technique.

This is where Delta needs to get involved & maybe even the FAA to set minimum standards. Anyone ever practice approaches and roll outs in low visibility on icy runways in the sim? How about throwing ice on the airplane and making the student go missed. If they are going to try to operate an airline like this, they need to modify training to at least give these pilots a heads up about what real challenges there are out there.

One good thing about the ATR department is they used to use the last couple of sims to try to crash new Capt. upgrades. You got all sorts of training that really did better prepare you for what you might face on a really bad two day over a winter holiday. If you failed to get in and out of half bank iced up in ROA you would either stall, or hit a mountain, just like you would in real life and it was a good lesson. Looking at Reno, could any of us fly those procedures without doing a little study first?

If a Delta Connection carrier balls up another RJ it is going to look like a trend.

 

[buscap]

sorry to oversimplify it for all you nitpickers. But I'll ask you two questions:

1. did the company ask alpa if they could offer second year pay?

2. did alpa say no?


Thats what I thought.....

Oversimplification of a complicated situation completely ignores the context, thus voiding your entire point.

It is not a YES or NO situation and can't be examined with a YES or NO query.

Sorry dude. You are wrong.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Tarzan, I know you are right, but this is a risky game. Airplanes are not automated appliances.

Automation will not make a good decision when there are braking action reports, a good crosswind and a flights arriving National, Midway, or LaGuardia. Automation will not do anything for you when dealing with a confusing MEL, or dispatch under exemption to some airport with items NOTAM'd inop.

An excellent example of this is the Shuttle America incident in CLE last winter on the short runway.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

$$$

If they offered 2nd yr pay i would apply there.....

 

[RiddleEagle18]

If they offered 2nd yr pay i would apply there.....

I would leave my current airline too!

 

[Jetpig]

I would leave my current airline too!Today 16:09
If they offered 2nd yr pay i would apply there.....Today 12:09

Our fight is not for you it is for us! Sorry.

 

[ohplease!]

Oversimplification of a complicated situation completely ignores the context, thus voiding your entire point.

It is not a YES or NO situation and can't be examined with a YES or NO query.

Sorry dude. You are wrong.

here it is straight from the MEC website:

ASA flight operations management today sought relief in the Status Quo of our current contract to give raises to new hire pilots. Management stated they are having difficulty attracting qualified applicants to ASA.
After consultation with the voting members, MEC Chairman Captain David Nieuwenhuis responded to managements request by stating quite simply, “If management wants to attract quality pilots to ASA – settling the remaining open issues of our entire contract will both attract new pilots and stabilize the current pilot groups’ frustrations with management.”

While the MEC is all for working together for win-win situations, we are not interested in carving out special treatment for one segment of the group (new hires) while the remainder of the pilot group have been waiting almost 5 years for pay raises and much needed work rule changes.....

It was relayed to me by a member of the MEC that they were asking to pay second year pay. If that is not the complete TRUTH, take it up with your MEC. I personally have no reason to believe they lied about it.....I also never said I disagreed with it. I don't. It was a simple question and I gave a simple answer.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

There are just so very many ways for us to say this to management: Never; not in a million years; absolutely not; no way, Jose; no chance, Lance; niet; negatory; mm-mm; nuh-uh; oh-oh; and of course my own personal favorite of all time, man falling off of a cliff -- "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

 

[wickedpilot]

Heard from several different people (some newhires at ASA) that ASA is starting newhires at second year pay.

Can anyone confirm this? I thought the union said no increases in pay for any minority pilot group.

It's all true. Plus, the new hires don't have to pay for FLiCA either. And they get to park in "the old Lot 3."

 

[www.]

Heard from several different people (some newhires at ASA) that ASA is starting newhires at second year pay.

Can anyone confirm this? I thought the union said no increases in pay for any minority pilot group.

During Section 6 no change to pay or work rules.

 

[doh]

here it is straight from the MEC website:

ASA flight operations management today sought relief in the Status Quo of our current contract to give raises to new hire pilots. Management stated they are having difficulty attracting qualified applicants to ASA.
After consultation with the voting members, MEC Chairman Captain David Nieuwenhuis responded to managements request by stating quite simply, “If management wants to attract quality pilots to ASA – settling the remaining open issues of our entire contract will both attract new pilots and stabilize the current pilot groups’ frustrations with management.”

While the MEC is all for working together for win-win situations, we are not interested in carving out special treatment for one segment of the group (new hires) while the remainder of the pilot group have been waiting almost 5 years for pay raises and much needed work rule changes.....

It was relayed to me by a member of the MEC that they were asking to pay second year pay. If that is not the complete TRUTH, take it up with your MEC. I personally have no reason to believe they lied about it.....I also never said I disagreed with it. I don't. It was a simple question and I gave a simple answer.

So there it is, your MEC said YES! Newhires can have the pay raise along with settleing the rest of the contract. Your management is saying NO. Glad you posted that and cleared it up.:beer:

 

[John Pennekamp]

oh Please, the deal the company asked for was to pay the newhires the new negotiated rate in the contract now instead of waiting for the contract to be ratified. This is a few bucks more, but brings us up to par with the other regionals. They did not ask to pay them second year pay.

 

[www.]

oh Please, the deal the company asked for was to pay the newhires the new negotiated rate in the contract now instead of waiting for the contract to be ratified. This is a few bucks more, but brings us up to par with the other regionals. They did not ask to pay them second year pay.

But it had been suggested to SH that if he wanted to attract experienced pilots to ASA he should talk to the union about starting pay for these types of pilots, prev 135/121, at second year rates. Has he sat down and talked about that?

 

[John Pennekamp]

But it had been suggested to SH that if he wanted to attract experienced pilots to ASA he should talk to the union about starting pay for these types of pilots, prev 135/121, at second year rates. Has he sat down and talked about that?

Not that I'm aware of, but I'm no more in the loop than any other line pilot. Ask Newie or Danny.

If SH is really worried about it, then he should get his bosses to settle the contract. Of course, he's too busy taking arrows over his handling of the hotels contraversy, isn't he?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Of course, he's too busy taking arrows over his handling of the hotels contraversy, isn't he?

I got the impression he was more wrapped up in the "wimpy" towelette controversy.