ASA new hire pay cut......

["GO AROUND"]

With the companies proposal even new hires will take a paycut from what we have now. 75 hour guarantee at $19.02 plus per diem while in class will become $300 a week and no per diem. That's almost a $600 paycut before taxes in training and the same hourly rate from our current contract for the first year.

All you guys swimming in the pool should be concerned about the company's proposal.

 

[jeroom]

Does the compensation chapter on the new contract definitive? Or is this a company proposal that still has to be negociated?
You guys still have to vote on that, don't you?

 

[barbarian4]

What exactly would you expect someone swimming in the pool to do about the company's proposal? You're on the seniority list, it's incumbent on you and the other pilots already on the seniority list to do something about it.

 

[crjskipper]

Relax - its the proposal - they havn't yet even discussed it.

 

[jeroom]

Relax - its the proposal - they havn't yet even discussed it.

Ok, now that's what I thought...
Still scary, isn't it? $300/Week doesn't help much...that's a pay cut from instructing! If I ever end up in class in ATL, I better start packing up on ramen and PBJ...and find a restaurant where I could wash dishes at night after ground school!

 

[jeroom]

I going to call that Spondavite restaurant place to see if they hire ASA new hire at night to wash dishes...I'm sure they already have a few there...

 

[Ben Dover]

What exactly would you expect someone swimming in the pool to do about the company's proposal? You're on the seniority list, it's incumbent on you and the other pilots already on the seniority list to do something about it.

Wrong! If you don't like the pay, don't work there. When enough people do this the company will raise pay to where it should be. Simple economics. Don't try and pawn this pay problem off on "you and the other pilots aleady on the seniority list."

 

[Tim47SIP]

No Sweat!

I wouldnt worry about it. If the pay is that low, then the number of newhires showing up for class will deminish. Just like when there was PFT at ASA. They couldnt get the applicants so they dropped the PFT and paid you the sallary. They will learn eventually. Additionaly, why is new hire pay even in this proposal. They shouldnt be covered by our agreement untill they are done with sims or IOE?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Ok, now that's what I thought...
Still scary, isn't it? $300/Week doesn't help much...that's a pay cut from instructing! If I ever end up in class in ATL, I better start packing up on ramen and PBJ...and find a restaurant where I could wash dishes at night after ground school!

Sheeze, I spend more than that in alcohol. How will one survive?

 

[DetoXJ]

What exactly would you expect someone swimming in the pool to do about the company's proposal? You're on the seniority list, it's incumbent on you and the other pilots already on the seniority list to do something about it.

How about the pilots swimming in the pool refuse the job for such crap pay. I say it's incumbent on the new hires to do something about it. Don't go to work there, then they might offer more for new hires. Wait....we know that wont happen with all the kids lining up for these great paying jobs.

 

[barbarian4]

Wrong! If you don't like the pay, don't work there. When enough people do this the company will raise pay to where it should be. Simple economics. Don't try and pawn this pay problem off on "you and the other pilots aleady on the seniority list."

Actually, you're wrong. If you think there aren't people lining up at the door to fly an airliner regardless of whatever new hire pay happens to be, you're kidding yourself. If you want pay rates to come up it has to come from within, not from expecting new comers to take a stand for the industry.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

I wouldnt worry about it. If the pay is that low, then the number of newhires showing up for class will deminish. Just like when there was PFT at ASA. They couldnt get the applicants so they dropped the PFT and paid you the sallary. They will learn eventually. Additionaly, why is new hire pay even in this proposal. They shouldnt be covered by our agreement untill they are done with sims or IOE?

Yeah, riiiiight. You forget there hordes of these guys paying money to be a FO on a 1900. Do you really believe it retard the number of applicants? At $300 a week with a room paid for? Thats a hell of alot better than some companies. TSA pays about that but no room. Sorta tough to show up for class, get a hotel room and find a crash pad, no? Guys do it all the time. It's a nonstarter right there. I bet it will fly. The pot will only be as sweet as needed to keep new hires walking in the door with that starry eyed look of getting the fly a JET!

 

[DetoXJ]

Actually, you're wrong. If you think there aren't people lining up at the door to fly an airliner regardless of whatever new hire pay happens to be, you're kidding yourself. If you want pay rates to come up it has to come from within, not from expecting new comers to take a stand for the industry.

Correct, so you just proved our point. If the new comers are lining up regardless of whatever the new hire pay is then why jack it up. Let them beat down the doors to fly for chump wages. Simply supply and demand. New hire regional pilots will never make much above poverty. Sad thing is that for the majority of CFI's taking the jobs, it's a big pay raise and a guaranteed income. It's all about planning, paying some dues and knowing what you are getting yourself into.

 

[barbarian4]

Correct, so you just proved our point. If the new comers are lining up regardless of whatever the new hire pay is then why jack it up. Let them beat down the doors to fly for chump wages. Simply supply and demand. New hire regional pilots will never make much above poverty. Sad thing is that for the majority of CFI's taking the jobs, it's a big pay raise and a guaranteed income. It's all about planning, paying some dues and knowing what you are getting yourself into.

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect" -The Man in Black

I'm not sure I see the point to which you are referring

 

[Ben Dover]

Actually, you're wrong. If you think there aren't people lining up at the door to fly an airliner regardless of whatever new hire pay happens to be, you're kidding yourself. If you want pay rates to come up it has to come from within, not from expecting new comers to take a stand for the industry.

If you want to shoot your bargaining wad on behalf of poolies, I suppose that's your choice to make. All I can say is you'd be better off getting market forces working FOR you rather than fighting basic principles of economics.

 

[DetoXJ]

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect" -The Man in Black

I'm not sure I see the point to which you are referring

I'm sorry that such basic principles of economics and supply and demand are so confusing to you.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Correct, so you just proved our point. If the new comers are lining up regardless of whatever the new hire pay is then why jack it up. Let them beat down the doors to fly for chump wages.

Yeah, so keep voting in the concessions on the bottom end so that we can continue to lower costs for our companies and they can continue to undercut each other until all of us are just like Mesa. I mean, the paycuts on the bottom end aren't going to effect ME, so who cares? It is amazing to me how narrow sighted some of you are.

 

[wickedpilot]

Training pay

What are the current pay rates for training? $900/week plus per diem? The $300/week proposal is outrageous. My part-time warehouse job pays more.

Does anyone know when this proposal will be decided on? (Will it be before the March 27th class)

I heard ASA is suppose to release an announcement today at 4:30 PM about negotiations...

 

[barbarian4]

I'm sorry that such basic principles of economics and supply and demand are so confusing to you.

They're not. It's your inane posts I find confusing.

 

[D'Angelo]

I agree don't waste even more ammo on new hire pay. Theres always another day to fight for that. If they simply don't come to class for that pay then it will eventually have to be raised. If people do come for that pay then they made the choice. Its silly to waste any ammo whatsoever on 1st year pay.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Now its 19.02 an hour x 75hrs and 40 hrs a week @ $1.50. The new pay would be $7.50 an hr and no per diem.

 

[DetoXJ]

Yeah, so keep voting in the concessions on the bottom end so that we can continue to lower costs for our companies and they can continue to undercut each other until all of us are just like Mesa. I mean, the paycuts on the bottom end aren't going to effect ME, so who cares? It is amazing to me how narrow sighted some of you are.

Stick to flying your Slowtation around. You clearly have no idea whats going on in the airline industry. Do you actually think that concessions only happen at the bottom? Talk about inane. Some have actually suggested that only Captains take concessions. The pain is shared equally percentage wise so the Captains actually take more of a hit dollar wise.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Stick to flying your Slowtation around. You clearly have no idea whats going on in the airline industry. Do you actually think that concessions only happen at the bottom? Talk about inane. Some have actually suggested that only Captains take concessions. The pain is shared equally percentage wise so the Captains actually take more of a hit dollar wise.

I do work for an airline, moron. I know how concessions work, and I know that they aren't only on the bottom end. I'm sure that my company will come to us for some in the near future, and I will vote no....I don't care who would get the bigger pay cut.

Also, why in the hell didn't you refuse the job for such "crap pay"? I mean, that is what you are expecting for everyone else to do. Oh, yeah...I forgot...you told them during the interview that you would only work for at least 5th year Captain pay, and because of your extraordinary skills and infinite knowledge of economics they agreed to it. Right O' Skipper of the Skies?

 

[Texx]

1. What are the current pay rates for training? $900/week plus per diem? The $300/week proposal is outrageous. My part-time warehouse job pays more.

2. Does anyone know when this proposal will be decided on? (Will it be before the March 27th class)

1. Then don't work at ASA. The current pilots are not responsible for hiring pilots. Management is.

2. You must be new to the airline game. Educate yourself on the process if you plan on being an airline pilot some day.

 

[McNugent]

Now its 19.02 an hour x 75hrs and 40 hrs a week @ $1.50. The new pay would be $7.50 an hr and no per diem.

Actually new hire pay right now is 19.02/hr. at the 75 hour a month guarantee. The per diem is added only if you are awarded SLC. Which they were few and far between when I went through.

During training I was only taking home $535 every two weeks. At 40 hours a week in class that came out to $6.69/hr.

 

["GO AROUND"]

The 8 hrs a day you are in class should be paid at the daily taxable per diem. Doesn't matter SLC or not. If they are not paying that then something needs to be said cause you are technically on duty in class.

 

[BRA]

The 8 hrs a day you are in class should be paid at the daily taxable per diem. Doesn't matter SLC or not. If they are not paying that then something needs to be said cause you are technically on duty in class.

I think most airlines do not do this, they may consider that you are in your base.

 

[hoover]

With the companies proposal even new hires will take a paycut from what we have now. 75 hour guarantee at $19.02 plus per diem while in class will become $300 a week and no per diem. That's almost a $600 paycut before taxes in training and the same hourly rate from our current contract for the first year.

All you guys swimming in the pool should be concerned about the company's proposal.

$19.02 an hour? $17118 a year? It just stuns me that people would work so hard for a job that pays that! The funny part is, if someone offered them twice that much to shovel $hit, they would turn it down.

 

[Comin-In-Hot]

No perdiem, period, during new hire training. It kicks in during IOE. Went through class last summer/ early fall. The new contract proposal sure smells a little, I mean a lot, like.............

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Ok, now that's what I thought...
Still scary, isn't it? $300/Week doesn't help much...that's a pay cut from instructing! If I ever end up in class in ATL, I better start packing up on ramen and PBJ...and find a restaurant where I could wash dishes at night after ground school!

Nice. That's what I am getting on unemployment.
No thanks I'll stay home and collect the 300 instead.