ASA Negotiations

[USCtrojan]

Yeah, but he was talking like that over a year ago when he and Bob Arnold had their debate in the crew lounge. Every time someone asked about the abuse and violations of our current contract he would only say something like "We want to start clean with the new contract" and not acknowledge the issue.

Kind of like telling you fiance that you'll stop cheating on her as soon as you're married.

You little instigator Shamrock! Trojan

 

[ASA]

How much are the negotiaters paid?

Do they fly?

Does it take 4 people, 4.5 years of 40-50 hour work weeks to negotiate a contract?

When they go out of town to negotiate, do they stay in the same hotels we do, at $1.50 per diem? I generally bring my meals. Do they? Or do they have an expense account?

Not trying to be critical. Seriously want to know.

 

[shamrock]

You little instigator Shamrock! Trojan

I'm single again and my knee and ankle have pulled a mutiny on me so I can't ride my bike as much as I want. What else do I have to occupy my time?

How much are the negotiaters paid?

Do they fly?

Does it take 4 people, 4.5 years of 40-50 hour work weeks to negotiate a contract?

When they go out of town to negotiate, do they stay in the same hotels we do, at $1.50 per diem? I generally bring my meals. Do they? Or do they have an expense account?

Not trying to be critical. Seriously want to know.

I believe they get paid guarantee and I don't think they fly much, if at all.

Since we still don't have I contract it would seem that it does indeed take that long to negotiate a contract, especially if the people you are negotiating with don't seem all that interested in taking part.

I can't speak to per diem and I'm sure the hotel accomodations are no better than those of the company negotiators and lawyers.

You could always call and ask them,they do work for you.

 

[wms]

We are the one's that vote yes or no.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Kind of like telling you fiance that you'll stop cheating on her as soon as you're married.

SSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't let her hear this!

Dick

 

[Crash Pad]

How much are the negotiaters paid?

Do they fly?

Does it take 4 people, 4.5 years of 40-50 hour work weeks to negotiate a contract?

When they go out of town to negotiate, do they stay in the same hotels we do, at $1.50 per diem? I generally bring my meals. Do they? Or do they have an expense account?

Not trying to be critical. Seriously want to know.

My point exactly... No one has any motivation to get this done. The negotiators are paid.

I think they have dequaled... "So they don't bust a ride"... In reality it is so they don't ever have to fly again while this contract gets "worked on"

My point is not to be a tough guy. My point is that the Union Negotiators have no reason to get this done. Neither does the company and it shows.

To the W. Faruzzi gentleman. If you want to make me a paid full time Union guy I will come see you tomorrow. After looking this over I can't think of a better job. Can I start on the negotiating comitee? I will have plenty of time to get up to speed... I am positive I can hammer out two more sections in the next two or three years!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

You spineless chickensh$ts!!! What real men you are to come on this board and make those unfounded accusations. If you have a problem with the CNC, then take it to them.

Puss$es!

 

[shamrock]

To the W. Faruzzi gentleman. If you want to make me a paid full time Union guy I will come see you tomorrow. After looking this over I can't think of a better job. Can I start on the negotiating comitee? I will have plenty of time to get up to speed... I am positive I can hammer out two more sections in the next two or three years!

Nobody "makes" you a paid full time Union guy, and I don't think you're allowed on the negotiating committee unless you can spell it. That being said, if you can "hammer out" the compensation section without simply giving in to everything the Company wants or giving up everything that's already been agreed to then have at it.

 

[VeeOne]

I'd just like something to vote on before we actually go on strike- maybe it would pass and maybe it wouldn't......but at least I'd feel like I had some say and control in it.

 

[HoserASA]

The negotiators are paid.
Of course they are paid! They receive a guarantee from ALPA dues, like the CPs do and many others that work for management.

I think they have dequaled... "So they don't bust a ride"... In reality it is so they don't ever have to fly again while this contract gets "worked on"
I may be wrong but I don't think they have "dequaled". They obviously don't fly the line. Go over to the Strike Center and you can ask them yourself.

My point is not to be a tough guy. My point is that the Union Negotiators have no reason to get this done. Neither does the company and it shows.!
Your "point" is understood by all, and that is to start some crap over the team receiving their pay while released to ALPA. And no, we don't think you're a "tough guy" at all, just the opposite, a wimpy whiner hiding behind a screen name.

Believe me, the negotiation team wants this done. ALPA is at a tremendous disadvantage with the RLA that favors management. True though what you say about the company. They like status quo and it's to their advantage to try and keep it that way.

Hoser

 

[HoserASA]

I'd just like something to vote on before we actually go on strike- maybe it would pass and maybe it wouldn't......but at least I'd feel like I had some say and control in it.

It doesn't work that here, or at any other ALPA-represented pilot group. ALL sections have to be TA'd, and then approved by the MEC. Then, at least at ASA, it goes out for a vote. Years ago we did not have the right to vote, and the MEC voted in a POS contract that the majority was against. Hence a resolution was passed that allows the membership (ALPA pilots at ASA) to vote whether they favor it or not, and the majority vote wins. You'll get your chance to see the contract and vote how you wish.

Hoser

 

[Snapperhead]

Years ago we did not have the right to vote, and the MEC voted in a POS contract that the majority was against. Hence a resolution was passed that allows the membership (ALPA pilots at ASA) to vote whether they favor it or not, and the majority vote wins. You'll get your chance to see the contract and vote how you wish.

Hoser

The same thing happened at Trans States back in 96'. Our POS MEC voted in a POS contract. I don't believe the pilot group even knew that could have happened. Good thing it can't happen at ASA now.

 

[Speedtape]

I'd just like something to vote on before we actually go on strike- maybe it would pass and maybe it wouldn't......but at least I'd feel like I had some say and control in it.

Patience! You will get your wish because that is how the process works--kind of! The compensation goals of the CNC are nothing more than what the compensation goals of the consensus of the ASA pilots are!

What the company is offering would not pass the vote! Well, they might get yours, but not the majority! The company's offer on the 50 rates would make you near the lowest in the industry. That's where they want you--they have stated it time and again!

This CNC and the MEC have not failed the pilot group in their charge! However, the pilot group has failed the MEC and the CNC, and therefore themselves! It's time for a little less talk, and alot more action! The results lie in YOUR hands!

 

[ASADriver]

This CNC and the MEC have not failed the pilot group in their charge! However, the pilot group has failed the MEC and the CNC, and therefore themselves! It's time for a little less talk, and alot more action! The results lie in YOUR hands!

Look here ASA pilots, ALPA is blaiming YOU the dues paying member who pays the salary of ALPA! I have heard this from more than one ALPA person that WE have failed them, yet if we dare question them we are attacked. We pay ALPA, and they have the nerve to blame this on us. No wonder ALPA is losing support.

 

[ASADriver]

Why can't the negotiators fly the line when there is a break? Is it too much to ask them to fly some?

 

[regionalcap]

Do you think they are still qualified after 4 years of not flying?
I would think that they have some retraining to do.

 

[ASADriver]

Do you think they are still qualified after 4 years of not flying?
I would think that they have some retraining to do.

Why do they dequal? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to stay current?

 

[Blucher]

Why can't the negotiators fly the line when there is a break? Is it too much to ask them to fly some?

Why do you care whether or not the negotiators "fly some?"

-Blucher

 

[regionalcap]

They would still have to do pro checks and recurrent ground. Is the company going to pay for that just for them to fly a trip once and a while?

 

[Blucher]

Why do they dequal? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to stay current?

Surely you've been around long enough to know that ASA and making sense just don't belong together. Wouldn't it also have made sense to not displace all those people a couple of months back? Of course, but that just ain't the ASA way!

-Blucher