ASA Negotiations

[John Pennekamp]

John, look at the big picture. The total package that ALPA is proposing will not keep us competative on the CR7. We are already high on that side and any raise will take it out of the park. Our CASM is lower as the bulk of our fleet is CR2, which we operate at if not slightly lower than industry.

Fly Safe...

How do you have any idea what ALPA is actually proposing? Are you at the negotiating table? On the management side?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey I'm young. I still got a shot. If you think I'm going to be at this airline for 20 years b!tching about the same stuff... Sorry. Two things give me a better shot with my 1000. I can and will go global. The other is I have ambition.

And after 15 years at ASA, you will become realistic like the rest of us. We have a better deal than most of the mainlines right now.

 

[atrdriver]

Hey I'm young. I still got a shot. If you think I'm going to be at this airline for 20 years b!tching about the same stuff... Sorry. Two things give me a better shot with my 1000. I can and will go global. The other is I have ambition.

Wll good luck to you and your ambition. Probably 90% of the Captains are just as ambitious as you are, and didn't think they would be here right now either. If you are willing to sign a substandard contract just so you can get that 1000 PIC you are an idiot. Getting out isn't a sure thing, unless you want to change careers.

 

[atrdriver]

Tomct, put the pistl down and relax. Just because we made a profit last quarter doesn't mean that we can remain competative on the CR7 flying. Just as many have said, the CR7/9 is were the future of regional flying is going, not the CR2. If you look past last months spread sheet and down the road a bit, it should become clear that we must bring our wages in line with industry standard for all fleets. The way to get a piece of to co profit is by defined language profit sharing. When the company makes extra cash so do we and when they don't we don't.

No spin required ...

We can't even trust management not to violate our current contract. So you REALLY think we can trust them when it comes to profit sharing? Do you thikn there are ways that they can make the profit look smaller is they want to?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

You are exactly right, They can do whatever they want to when they want to do it. However, aren't profits and losses published to the feds on a quarterly basis. To falsify docs to ALPA may be one thing but the feds are a whole new ball of wax.

Spin Away...

 

[atrdriver]

You are exactly right, They can do whatever they want to when they want to do it. However, aren't profits and losses published to the feds on a quarterly basis. To falsify docs to ALPA may be one thing but the feds are a whole new ball of wax.

Spin Away...

Well, lets see. They falsify our out and in times as reported to DOT on a daily basis. Isn't DOT the feds?

 

[atlcrashpad]

You bet they lie about Out & In times. Yet ASA is still on the bottom as far as On time performance.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Would you be talking about OPS or US? Besides, once ACARS is turned on, it will be out of both our hands. I know we have heard the term ACARS for a long tx but as SH said, it's on the way.

Spin Away...

 

[atlcrashpad]

There is a lot that MGT says is on the way. More BS and feet dragging I'd bet.

 

[atrdriver]

Would you be talking about OPS or US? Besides, once ACARS is turned on, it will be out of both our hands. I know we have heard the term ACARS for a long tx but as SH said, it's on the way.

Spin Away...

Oh for Christs sake. If you don't know that the departure coordinators put in whatever out time they want then you don't fly for ASA. And don't tell me about ACARS, I know what it will do, and I will believe it when I see it. This company has been falsifing records for years, and I for one don't trust them to make up for a pay cut with some performance based or profit based program.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

You bet they lie about Out & In times. Yet ASA is still on the bottom as far as On time performance.

....and don't get this guy started about E-trade either!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Crash Pad]

Wll good luck to you and your ambition. Probably 90% of the Captains are just as ambitious as you are, and didn't think they would be here right now either. If you are willing to sign a substandard contract just so you can get that 1000 PIC you are an idiot. Getting out isn't a sure thing, unless you want to change careers.

I disagree. Most of the Captains I work with get comfortable. They haven't updated a resume or logbook in 10 years.
Here is the list:
1. Airtran: I don't know about them/ it's a lateral move
2. Southwest: I'm not going to get a type rating for an interview it's BS/ They're day in the sun is almost over when the fuel hedge runs out.
3. Continental: Can't take first year pay
4. Cathay: They don't have a Union I don't trust them
5. Emirates: I have a family/ It's in the middle east/ No union
6. FedEX: I can't work behind the clock or I like PAX
7. UPS: see FedEx
8. NetJets: Sure you make more but 7 on 7 off... I can't handle it

Other favorites:
1. My dad worked for Delta. I had the interview/job and then 9/11... So I guess I'm here for a while.
2. I interviewed with XYZ airline. I answered every question perfectly but for some reason I didn't get the job.

Changing jobs is scary I've done it more than most at this company. Moving is also scary.

The truth is most of you are happy and wouldn't change a thing. You have your 15 days off. You understand the system. Assuming you don't get major brain damage every checkride for the rest of your life will be a joke. Who knows with some luck you might one day hold the 70 and make $98 an hour.

Sorry if I think the above looks like a sad future. Sorry if I don't want to be making excuses for the rest of my career.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

ATR, I am not saying that dpt coord or ops agents are saints, but get off your high horse. We aren't either, allot of guys that I fly with work the tx card system better than a las vegas dealer. Why do you think one of the first questions out of your partners mouth is "are you over or under block for the month?". Neither group would do very well if judgement day was tomorrow...

Spin...

 

[e120pilot]

Crash Pad,

One of the best posts I've read in a while. Everyone likes to whine about how they're trying to get out of here, but when you ask what they're doing, you here nothing but excuses.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I disagree. Most of the Captains I work with get comfortable. They haven't updated a resume or logbook in 10 years.
Here is the list:
1. Airtran: I don't know about them/ it's a lateral move
2. Southwest: I'm not going to get a type rating for an interview it's BS/ They're day in the sun is almost over when the fuel hedge runs out.
3. Continental: Can't take first year pay
4. Cathay: They don't have a Union I don't trust them
5. Emirates: I have a family/ It's in the middle east/ No union
6. FedEX: I can't work behind the clock or I like PAX
7. UPS: see FedEx
8. NetJets: Sure you make more but 7 on 7 off... I can't handle it

Other favorites:
1. My dad worked for Delta. I had the interview/job and then 9/11... So I guess I'm here for a while.
2. I interviewed with XYZ airline. I answered every question perfectly but for some reason I didn't get the job.

Changing jobs is scary I've done it more than most at this company. Moving is also scary.

The truth is most of you are happy and wouldn't change a thing. You have your 15 days off. You understand the system. Assuming you don't get major brain damage every checkride for the rest of your life will be a joke. Who knows with some luck you might one day hold the 70 and make $98 an hour.

Sorry if I think the above looks like a sad future. Sorry if I don't want to be making excuses for the rest of my career.

Even if that were the died in the wool truth. If they are sticking around, they are bound to want to make the place better. Most are going to be around longer than they want to no matter how hard they try. You are the biggest schmuck.

If you had any stones and wanted to get started on your globe trotting carrer of fortune and glory, you'd be off you lazy ass flying merlins or 99's around in the middle of the night with no fo or auto pilot to get your 1000 and be gone. Instead you sit in an air conditioned rj as a co pilot for a ********************ty regional and bitch and piss and cry and volunteer for pay cuts while others try to improve the contract.

If you want your 1000 turbine pic, go get a job and earn it the hard way or button your c0ck holster.

Friggin pansy...

 

[-9Capt]

1. Airtran: I don't know about them/ it's a lateral move
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Anyone who thinks that is clueless. The ASA guys I've spoke to seem to really like it here.

 

[goahead]

Just give us something to vote on and we'll see what everybody thinks. If we keep loosing planes left and right it's pretty obvious what we'll vote yes on. ALPA needs to give us something to vote on, and then we will send a message to the man.

 

[atrdriver]

I disagree. Most of the Captains I work with get comfortable. They haven't updated a resume or logbook in 10 years.

Sure there are some like that. There are also a lot of guys, me included, who have resumes all over the place, hoping for a call. If you really think that you are gone as soon as you get your PIC I think you are in for a nasty wakeup call. Yeah, you might get lucky, then again, it's more likely that you won't, at least not right away, and you will spend some time wondering why no one is calling. And that time you will be living under whatever contract we get. I for one want it to be the best that we can negotiate. If I leave, then I left it better for guy who took my place.

 

[Tomct]

atl...I agree that asking for retirement is STUPID!!! I, for one, DO NOT want retirement. They need to give me more money and I will make my own investments! But you have got to be kidding me that you think taking a paycut is right! There is NO WAY that I am going to take that. Yeah, you are right, the 50's are going away, so why in the H@LL would we agree on a paycut and thus stick ourselves for almost 8-10 years of NO PAY RAISE!! That is a LOAD of CRAP! If we were losing money, I could understand, but with the kind of money they are making....forget it!!!

Crash...Yeah, get in line with being people wanting to get the H#LL out of here, but guess what? Not as easy as you think! Nice try though!:crying:

 

[HoserASA]

I know where to find them, I've seen them. Re-read my post. I asked if the current open items can be compared to the industry standards. In other words, how do our 70 seat, retirement, and instructor sections compare to the "competition". Shouldn't be anything wrong with keeping the membership informed as to how our demands conform to pattern bargaining.... should there Hoser?

JB, you're Sec/Treas, why don't you get that info for us? I have nothing against keeping membership informed. In fact, I'm requesting that you, as Sec/Treas, obtain that info for us and post it here. Nothing wrong in asking an elected ALPA official (meaning you) to do that.....should there be?

Hoser

 

[Tomct]

Well Joe, take out the retirement part of the contract, give me more money and I will invest it and get this contract done. Mgmnt is playing the game making everyone think how overpaid we are.....NOT!! Show us the numbers and then we will talk, but guess what, they don't want to do that because they would have to show us how CHEAP we really are! What...13% cheaper than the next airline, and it is NOT skywst!

 

[Crash Pad]

Even if that were the died in the wool truth. If they are sticking around, they are bound to want to make the place better. Most are going to be around longer than they want to no matter how hard they try. You are the biggest schmuck.

If you had any stones and wanted to get started on your globe trotting carrer of fortune and glory, you'd be off you lazy ass flying merlins or 99's around in the middle of the night with no fo or auto pilot to get your 1000 and be gone. Instead you sit in an air conditioned rj as a co pilot for a ********************ty regional and bitch and piss and cry and volunteer for pay cuts while others try to improve the contract.

If you want your 1000 turbine pic, go get a job and earn it the hard way or button your c0ck holster.

Friggin pansy...

Hey Pogue did I hit a little close to home? Don't worry that memo pissed me off more than ALPA this week.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireyeah, I believe that this little note from mgmnt will push the strike vote OVER 98%. People are tired of this crap, I know that I am!!!! Bring It On!!