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Just speculation, but....

My guess is that as oil rises the major will be placing more and more larger jets at regionals. its pretty clear the 70 & 90 are the future of regionals. Will ASA see any of these?

Go ahead, flame away, but I truly have no desire to go to a major and would love to see these at ASA.
 
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I think Delta still owns 40 of our 50's. Wouldn't be surprised to see those go at some point. Whether they replace those with something else who knows...

I'm getting the resume ready
 
Don't forget that we have to have by contract 80% of all DCI flying in ATL. Now unless Delta plans on dismantling ATL, or making it a mainline only airport, we are in pretty good shape. Talking to Charlie the other day in the crew lounge, he said that we are safe from any merger scenario from losing our contract with Delta. The only risk associated is performance, and frankly, we are kicking ass in that department. If Delta does remove those 40 200's, they will have to be replaced to maintain our % of the DCI flying. Also keep in mind that we are by far the largst DCI carrier by like 2 to 300 flights a day over Comair. Not to long ago the company published the numbers of flights per day for all of the DCI carriers, and it was a substancial number. Anyone remember any specifics from that memo?

Edit: I know I can't spell, there is no reason for any of the nerds on here to point it out.
 
I just can't help but wonder why Delta does not want their largest connection carrier flying larger RJ's out of their largest hub. That seems to be the card we're dealt. The most telling clue is that hiring/upgrades are shut down for the forseeable future, so don't expect anything coming ASA's way.....what happened to all that excitement over how much was coming our way after we settled the contract??? Remember, that was the only thing holding us back!
 
i agree... that was what i was thinking. The future is larger RJ's and the way it appears is that we are not getting any. Not sure why not, but it appears that we are not. You would think we would be cranking 70 and 76 seaters to help delta make more money with basically no additonal costs. I know we will most likely never see 170'S OR 175'S, but i guess I thought we would be on track to get lots of 70's and 90's after the contract. It appears that growth with be at skywest... oh well
 
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enuffalready said:
I know we will most likely never see 170'S OR 175'S, but i guess I thought we would be on track to get lots of 70's and 90's after the contract. It appears that growth with be at skywest... oh well
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ASA/Skywest must do 80% of the DCI flying out of ATL, not just ASA. No one promised addition flying to ASA when a contract would be signed. As the on time performance improves, that will be the only sign we get more flying. No iron clad contract can deliver on a promise of more flying without showing the numbers to back it up. I have a feeling fuel conservation will be stressed even more as a marketing ploy to gain additional flying.
 
I disagree, the DCI agreement for the sale of ASA to Skywest said that ASA would have 80% of the DCI flying in ATL.
 
outtahere said:
I disagree, the DCI agreement for the sale of ASA to Skywest said that ASA would have 80% of the DCI flying in ATL.
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Sky West's Annual report for 2007 is out. Check out SkyWest.com, click on investor relations, and click annual reports. It talks a little bit about Sky West INC's position in ATL. It's good stuff and very informing. At least it will kill some of the flightinfo speculation.

Trojan
 
MX in Macon told us that 900s are definitely on the way....6 months out though. We have all heard these RUMORS before so hopefully this one will be true. Im still skeptical.
 
Yea because MX always has the answers...
 
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....we missed the boat on much of the 700/900 flying.....our 900s were diverted to Skywest while ALPA was denying that they were being diverted....

Many of you said you didn't care if the airplanes were diverted...now you seem concerned that we were left out...Why the change of heart now?

Jerry plays tough....he called our bluff and some are upset now that we were left out of the 700/900 game....

1. Press your union for real brand scope....No more BS promises from Herndon....

2. Single list at Skywest Inc...even if it means "buying" it...

3. Don't let growth opportunities get away....once they are gone...they are gone.....

If you have complaints...direct them to the hardliner ALPA cheerleaders....they brought you this......
 
JoeMerchant said:
....we missed the boat on much of the 700/900 flying.....our 900s were diverted to Skywest while ALPA was denying that they were being diverted....

Many of you said you didn't care if the airplanes were diverted...now you seem concerned that we were left out...Why the change of heart now?

Jerry plays tough....he called our bluff and some are upset now that we were left out of the 700/900 game....

1. Press your union for real brand scope....No more BS promises from Herndon....

2. Single list at Skywest Inc...even if it means "buying" it...

3. Don't let growth opportunities get away....once they are gone...they are gone.....

If you have complaints...direct them to the hardliner ALPA cheerleaders....they brought you this......
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Maybe if you stopped bantering about ALPA all the time, people would listen to you more. It's getting old Mr. Joe
 
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Maybe if you stopped bantering about ALPA all the time, people would listen to you more. It's getting old Mr. Joe
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....what do you suggest? Is ALPA meeting YOUR expectations? Are we a "collective" bargaining unit...or are we independent units trying to get our piece of the pie....

What is getting old is all of the ALPA cheerleaders now complaining about the loss of 70/90 flying while they pounded their chest and said "we don't care if it goes somewhere else"....well you got your wish.....

Either deal with it or reform this sorry excuse for a union....but don't complain about getting your wish.....
 
McNugent said:
Maybe if you stopped bantering about ALPA all the time, people would listen to you more. It's getting old Mr. Joe
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Hey McNugent, maybe if some more of us start bantering they might listen? Every pilot here should qustion everything Big ALPA does. They certainly don't have a reputation for looking out for us.

701EV
 
I haven't complained. It is what it is. The fact of the matter is, the ASA pilot group refused to cave in to a sub-par contract and take the carrot of flying big RJ's for less than appropriate wages. ALPA or not it is the pilots that did the right thing.

ALPA isn't flawless and I respect your oinion, as you have many years in the business. Some things you say I agree with, and others I don't.

The thing is, you lose credibility when all you do is bash the union that believe it or not is there for you in your darkest hour. Like I said above, there are many things wrong with ALPA, and I'm sure you have a list somewhere. But damn! I'm just getting sick of you blaming them for everything!
 
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McNugent said:
I haven't complained. It is what it is. The fact of the matter is, the ASA pilot group refused to cave in to a sub-par contract and take the carrot of flying big RJ's for less than appropriate wages. ALPA or not it is the pilots that did the right thing.

ALPA isn't flawless and I respect your oinion, as you have many years in the business. Some things you say I agree with, and others I don't.

The thing is, you lose credibility when all you do is bash the union that believe it or not is there for you in your darkest hour. Like I said above, there are many things wrong with ALPA, and I'm sure you have a list somewhere. But damn! I'm just getting sick of you blaming them for everthing!
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ALPA isn't there for anyone in their "darkest hour"....We are a very loose association of independent contractors that will screw each other in a heart beat....If you don't believe that then you aren't following AAA/AWA or DAL/NWA....

We lost 900s while we held out for items we weren't going to get....If some had there way, we would still be without a contract and probably would have lost even more flying at this point.....

Support ALPA if you want.....that is your choice....but don't fall into a false sense of security because we are ALPA....We will be left behind with or without ALPA "protection"....

We could demand better from our union, but that requires some of you to demand more from the union that is suppost to represent you....I don't think you folks have it in you to stand up to ALPA....There was a time when the ASA and CMR MECs would stand up to ALPA.....now they seem happy to drink the Herndon Koolaid......
 
I agree with you Joe. ALPA needs to change and properly represent our best interests. By saying "our" I mean every single ALPA represented airline and stop pitting everyone against each other.

My whole point is that the thread could be about how ugly our FA's are, and you'd blame ALPA for it.
 
McNugent said:
I agree with you Joe. ALPA needs to change and properly represent our best interests. By saying "our" I mean every single ALPA represented airline and stop pitting everyone against each other.

My whole point is that the thread could be about how ugly our FA's are, and you'd blame ALPA for it.
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......I don't understand why people blame me for trying to hold the union we pay dues to accountable for their actions....I only sound like a broken record because we as a "union" continue to make the same mistakes and then those of us who point out those mistakes get the blame.....

We pay ALPA and we can hold them accountable if we choose to.....Either choose to hold them accountable or accept the failure and move on...

I choose not to accept it......
 
I don't mind Joe speaking his mind. It would be nice to hear his opinions on things besides unions once and awhile, but at least he is willing to address issues that few people seem interested in talking about and/or reforming.
 
dbchandler1 said:
I don't mind Joe speaking his mind. It would be nice to hear his opinions on things besides unions once and awhile, but at least he is willing to address issues that few people seem interested in talking about and/or reforming.
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....then you haven't seen the political posts where I take my shots at Obama and Hillary.....:uzi:
 
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The most telling clue is that hiring/upgrades are shut down for the forseeable future, so don't expect anything coming ASA's way.....what happened to all that excitement over how much was coming our way after we settled the contract??? Remember, that was the only thing holding us back!
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Yes, we're not hiring/upgrading right now... ATRs, people keep forgetting we're losing almost a dozen airframes, on top of that we're over-staffed! What airline in their right mind would hire under those conditions. We even have a hiring pool from what I hear which to me means we're expecting to maintain or grow. Be it attrition or growth, we're in a good position and will continue to be.
900s will come, mgt is saying this, and I have faith in our new golden boy to pull it off. He's done so much for the airline in the short time he's been here, I have to believe that he has vision for the future and has all our best interests in mind.
 
outtahere said:
... .and it was a substancial number. Anyone remember any specifics from that memo?

Edit: I know I can't spell, there is no reason for any of the nerds on here to point it out.
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If it weren't for that spelling dysclaimer, I'd be all over that AND your grammer. But no need to be so vane about that, 'cause we're all just pilots.....bleu-collar workers with no real schooling!
 
Who's to say we were getting 900's if we had agreed to a contract 2 years ago? Nothing is certain in this industry and I'm sure we could have agreed to something sub-par and still not gotten the 900's. And I'm not saying that our negotiations were stellar, but I don't think we were getting them then anyway. More than anything I believe it was bad management that squandered the 900's away from us; which seems to be getting better now.
 
You read it first hear guys/gals. ASA to open bases in CVG and MCO!
 

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