ASA MEC job seminar September, with Air, Inc.

[buscap]

Maybe it's time to oust BL. He's doing a job that any 1st yr. Harvard business school grad could do, and he cost too much! I think that might have been JA's line of reasoning when Liesure suit Larry's (RR) job went away, and he was replaced by a 5yr CPA at SKW (CC).

ASA MEC, next negotiation point that out to BL and watch him squirm. ;-)

Anyone who thinks the ASA management team is not doing EXACTLY as they are told is delusional and should seek professional help.

While it's not a grassy knoll type conspiracy, our company is being run pretty much the way big D wants.

 

[Jmoney]

Deep Thoughts.....

Just think what leverage ALPA could have if they negotiated as a SINGLE voice within a brand....

Just think what leverage ALPA would have if we tightened up on the requirements to be a 121 pilot....

Just think what leverage ALPA would have if we could transport our seniority/longevity across company lines...

Oh sorry..... I was looking at the forest.....

Frapper, from your profile, I see that your "pants are around your ankle and you are taking it from ASA managment".....

Are you saying that the best ALPA can do is to encourage ASA pilots to leave? What message does that send the Skywest pilots when everyone says they need ALPA? The best ALPA will do for them is to increase their attition? Is that the best ALPA can offer? That probably won't get the Skywest pilots on board.... Maybe if ALPA could actually put a stop to the whipsaw within the brand..... you might get more to sign on..... Oh there I go again looking at the forest.......

In this environment, you don't really need ALPA to help you find another job.... there are plenty out there.....

Just think what leverage we would have if Chuck Norris ran our union.....

Just think what a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick would do to BL's peanut head.....

Just think how great it would be if RJs were really made of fudge....

Just think how great it would be to not live in a van-down by the river!

-RJDC is last decade's dead horse, let's find a new one to beat!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

While it's not a grassy knoll type conspiracy, our company is being run pretty much the way big D wants.

Yeah. Cheap and whorish.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I can't argue with this at all. Given the lack of qualifications and flying skills that I seem to be saddled with every other month, I am a wholehearted supporter of the concept of higher entry requirements. I think ATP minimums would be a good place to start. However, the game is already underway, and we can't change the rules at halftime. Did ALPA screw this one up?? Absolutely. Should we have positioned ourselves much like the AMA and demanded that we have control over the entry requirements of our profession? You bet. However, that ship has sailed. We have to make do with the rules we live by.

I'm glad we agree here. It's not too late to change direction here. We could still lobby for tighter entry requirements. At the very least we could lobby against the new "crew FO".... ALPA isn't even against that as long as they have input.... Bad idea....

We could also negotiate minimum requirements for new hires into the CBA... it's been done before... it can be done again....

Every other profession regulates it's entry level requirements.... we should also.....

Except that would be unfair to all those who decided to leave the regionals at an appropriate time and make a short term sacrifice for a long term gain. To continue the medical analogy (one that I consider absurd, by the way...) My best friend is an orthopaedic surgeion. He left a practice he was a partner in to join a much more successful practice in a position that essentially amounts to a resident. However, he saw that the long term gain outweighed the short term loss. Just because you may have "missed the boat" when it comes to years served versus years left in your career does not mean that a universal seniority list benefits the rest of us. I am actively seeking employment outside of ASA. I am younger than you. If I do have the good luck to hire on elsewhere, what makes you think that you are entitled to my job and my upgrade simply based on the number of years you spent shuffling around an ATR at a two-bit regional airline?? After all, I am the one who took the initiative to actually seek out a better job. I am the one who planned responsibly for my future. I am the one who scrimped and saved for my wife and my child, realizing I would take a pay cut when I decided to leave. Your pipe dream of a national seniority list reeks of laziness and a sense of entitlement.

Well here is where we differ..... these "stepping stone" jobs should never have become what they are. At one time they were "mainline jobs"..... At one time DC3, DC4, and Convair 580 jobs were "mainline jobs".... What happened?

Every other profession has the ability to transfer some experience...... We are the ONLY ones who can't transfer any experience..... Continue to defend it if you want, but it has led to our downfall....

Sadly enough, ASA is not, nor should it be, a career airline. One of my closest friends at this company (a 20+ year Captain) grabs me by the shoulders every time he sees me and says, "What are you still doing here? You owe it to yourself and to your family to find something else." He's right. You bash ALPA and villify the "rules of the game", but you fail to realize that ASA management does not want you around. You cost too much, plain and simple. Your experience and decision making skills are outweighed by your hourly rate. You are a financial liability to them. You should have moved on years ago. Perhaps you tried and were unsuccessful. If so, that's unfortunate. I know you... better than you think (unless I miss my guess). You're one hell of a bright guy, and a damm good pilot. You really do deserve better than ASA.

Thanks for the compliment...... I think? Here is where you really have missed the mark.... ASA as all other 121 airline jobs, SHOULD be career jobs... It is only because of management, with ALPA and APA blessing, have these jobs become "stepping stone" jobs. At one time they were career jobs. What happened? Because of your logic, half of all domestic jobs are no longer " career jobs".... What does that do to the "career jobs"? Here's a hint... it drags them down with the rest of us...

However.... ASA is the home you have chosen for yourself, and you knew the rules of the game when you made that choice. As far as I am concerned, the time has come for you to make peace with that choice. The fact that you chose to live here does not give you the right to attempt to block the emergency exits for the rest of us.

I have made peace with my decision, and that is precisely why I am fighting as hard as I am.... I am not blocking your emergency exit.... as far as I am concerned the sooner you leave the better....

The fact that you don't understand why some of us have decided to "live here" doesn't give you the right to destroy my house now does it?