ASA lost hundreds of pilots in 2005!!

[Phony Marconi]

Most of the attrition comes not from Captains leaving, but from junior F/O's giving up on the dream after realizing ASA is a dead-end.

The new seniority list tells all.

 

[rjcap]

Do you happen to know what the total loss was for 2005 ??

Don't forget to factor in all those pilots on leave.

 

[Tantrum]

I'm about half way up the FO list and I moved up 132 numbers last year. So, I can believe we lost a couple hundred pilots, but from what I can tell, most of them were captains and probably a few senior fo's. In my opinion, I hope we lose twice that many this year too...of course I only care about the ones in front of me.

 

[Sinca3]

Is there a newer list than January '06?

 

[ohplease!]

I'm about half way up the FO list and I moved up 132 numbers last year. So, I can believe we lost a couple hundred pilots, but from what I can tell, most of them were captains and probably a few senior fo's. In my opinion, I hope we lose twice that many this year too...of course I only care about the ones in front of me.

I'm a lot higher than that and I'm moving up about 8 or so a month and have for at least the last year. Most guy's are going from the middle to the top 1/3. I'm hoping Virgin will increase the number leaving soon.

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Is there a newer list than January '06?

Nope next one should be June/July

 

[79%N1]

I keep hearing about all this attrition, yet I've moved up only 12 numbers on the 700 FO list in 1 year!

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

I keep hearing about all this attrition, yet I've moved up only 12 numbers on the 700 FO list in 1 year!

That's because the 700 pilots are livin' large with their high pay! Nobody wants to leave....time for paycuts!

 

[79%N1]

Yeah, maybe everybody will leave then! Hey, there's an idea. The company wont let anyone off the 700 to 'lower paying equipment', even after your seat-lock expires. So, if both 200/700 are the same rate, must they then let anybody bid to the 200? Sounds like a way to eat up that savings with all those additional training costs. I'm in!

 

[ohplease!]

Yeah, maybe everybody will leave then! Hey, there's an idea. The company wont let anyone off the 700 to 'lower paying equipment', even after your seat-lock expires. So, if both 200/700 are the same rate, must they then let anybody bid to the 200? Sounds like a way to eat up that savings with all those additional training costs. I'm in!

two words: dual qualification.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Darned - us junior 200 Captains are moving down because of the IP's bidding since they do not have new hire classes and the "standards" guys are bidding lines. IMHO they should have to bid the -700 if they want to fly the line, since that is what they get paid on. Bidding the 200 for the schedule while getting 700 pay is kind of a rip.

 

[rjcap]

two words: dual qualification.

I'm just curious. What do you think would be involved with dual qualification when it comes to pro checks etc. Would you have to sim check in both 200 and 700 sims ???

While these two a/c are the same type they fly and operate very differently.

Would you as a line pilot really want to be responsible for both sets of limitations and systems knowledge ??

 

[ohplease!]

I'm just curious. What do you think would be involved with dual qualification when it comes to pro checks etc. Would you have to sim check in both 200 and 700 sims ???

While these two a/c are the same type they fly and operate very differently.

Would you as a line pilot really want to be responsible for both sets of limitations and systems knowledge ??

I don't know. perhaps that would be best answered by a SKYW guy. I would guess check in the 200 maybe see the 700 sim the other sim ride.

Not really but, if all those other guys and girls could do it, maybe I could do it....

 

[ReportCanoa]

Would you as a line pilot really want to be responsible for both sets of limitations and systems knowledge ??

For -700 pay, sure. For a blended (glorified) -200 rate, no thanks. I know the CNC will do the right thing regarding the issue. There is a lot of pressure as SkyW does it, but it was forced on them. I will not vote for a blended rate unless it is at least a 10% increase over what I make now on the -200. That probably won't happen.

 

[rjcap]

I don't know. perhaps that would be best answered by a SKYW guy. I would guess check in the 200 maybe see the 700 sim the other sim ride.

Not really but, if all those other guys and girls could do it, maybe I could do it....

The issue is not whether you could do it or not.

Why would I want to be responsible for 2 sets of aircraft books, revisions, limitations, W&B, and all the other BS. How frickin big would my flight bag have to be to carry all this stuff ??

I guarantee you you won't be paid enough to make it worth your while.

 

[Ty Webb]

Why would I want to be responsible for 2 sets of aircraft books, revisions, limitations, W&B, and all the other BS. How frickin big would my flight bag have to be to carry all this stuff ??

I guarantee you you won't be paid enough to make it worth your while.

Very True!

Although there's probably some idiot reading this string and going, "GAWRSH!!! They're gonna let me fly TWO shiny new jets!!!!!" and wondering where to sign up.

Pardon me while I hurl. . . . .

 

[utahpilot]

I fly both, usually every month. it's no big deal.

as for extra manuals, books, etc., nada again. we have a few pages of extra inserts and that's it.

remember, it's the same type AC. the differences are minor.

 

[Ty Webb]

I fly both, usually every month. it's no big deal.

Boy, that didn't take long!

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Very True!

Although there's probably some idiot reading this string and going, "GAWRSH!!! They're gonna let me fly TWO shiny new jets!!!!!" and wondering where to sign up.

Pardon me while I hurl. . . . .

If I can fly two new jets I might go back to ASA! The 717 is not really shiny enough for me anyway.

 

[DoinTime]

The issue is not whether you could do it or not.

Why would I want to be responsible for 2 sets of aircraft books, revisions, limitations, W&B, and all the other BS. How frickin big would my flight bag have to be to carry all this stuff ??

I guarantee you you won't be paid enough to make it worth your while.

Just imagine being cross qualified on the 757 and 767, DC9-10 thru DC9-50, or 737-200 thru 737-900.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Just imagine being cross qualified on the 757 and 767, DC9-10 thru DC9-50, or 737-200 thru 737-900.

Can you say 10 lbs. of crap in a 5 lb. bag? I couldn't remember all of the limitations and memory items if I had to.