ASA LOST 216,000 bags in 2005!!!

[urflyingme?!]

Blame the Air Midwest BE1900 crash for that one. Stuff 19 fat pax into a BE1900 with bags and you probably won't come close to the original FAA limits. They had to change it due to our fat way of life. But, that affects RJs too, and that makes them not as reliable and surely not as profitable. IF you buy a plane that states it can take 50 people and bags, and then it can't because reality sets in and we all realize people are fatter, then what good is that 50 seater? Did you know that your CR7 that flies to St Croix from ATL only lists for 40 pax? Out of 70 seats? I hope those are expensive tickets...(I know you need full fuel requirements for diversions over water etc)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Air Midwest was improper MX on the Elevator resulting in a loss of pitch control....

 

[Blucher]

Righto!

Exactly right. Won't make any difference how much weight you've got on the damned airplane when the elevator's rigged improperly! That plane could well have been empty and had the same result. Although it gave the FAA a politically correct way to tell the American people we're a bunch of fat slobs (which is unfortunately true).

-Blucheruke:

 

[RollinOnMy22sYo]

LOST???

Ha, dat's funny.

How you think we pay for da 22" Dubs?

Copy dat?

 

[Tim47SIP]

The rest of the story!

Air Midwest was improper MX on the Elevator resulting in a loss of pitch control....

This is exactly correct. I just finished my Masters Thesis on this very subject. That aircraft was rigged BACKWARDS due to Third Party Maintenance Providers (3PMP) performing the work. The Part 145 mechanic that rigged the aircraft never accomplished that procedure before, and the TI was not even on the same shift that the mechanic performed the work. There are a whole lot of additional issues with this aircraft, but these two should show that a weight change did not cause the problem. It is more of a cover up for the use of Part 145 repair stations (Contract Maintenance) by the ATA as well as showing that the FAA did something. There is to much money to be made by unregulated 145 repair stations versus 121 heavily regulated carrier maintenance mandates. Lots and lots of lobbying!:uzi:

 

[ifly4food]

Hey, I never said it was all your fault. We have problems getting bags from your side too, when your RJs have to sit in the ramp for 30 minutes waiting for a parking spot. Those pax may make it to my 767, but the bags may not. It happens on both sides. I have to admit that I have never seen a bag guy drive his tug in front of my 767. That is a funny story though about the guy mouthing "MF" to you. I would have started laughing and pointing at him.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey General, I can't help but notice you TWICE mention you fly a 767. Should we be impresed? Are you impressed that I fly an ATR? Give me a break!

 

[ifly4food]

Blame the Air Midwest BE1900 crash for that one. Stuff 19 fat pax into a BE1900 with bags and you probably won't come close to the original FAA limits. They had to change it due to our fat way of life. But, that affects RJs too, and that makes them not as reliable and surely not as profitable. IF you buy a plane that states it can take 50 people and bags, and then it can't because reality sets in and we all realize people are fatter, then what good is that 50 seater? Did you know that your CR7 that flies to St Croix from ATL only lists for 40 pax? Out of 70 seats? I hope those are expensive tickets...(I know you need full fuel requirements for diversions over water etc)


Bye Bye--General Lee

General you are an angry man. You should seek counseling to overcome the hardon you have for RJs and RJ pilots.

 

[General Lee]

General you are an angry man. You should seek counseling to overcome the hardon you have for RJs and RJ pilots.

Say what? I guess I can't be interested in all aspects of this industry? Why? Because you said so.....Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. I flew for a "commuter" back in the early 90's, and I have been there with experience. I can comment on whatever I choose. You seem to think slamming me will make me go away. Ask the others if that is true. Now I will focus more on you guys. And, if you want to debate me on what I say, go ahead.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hey General, I can't help but notice you TWICE mention you fly a 767. Should we be impresed? Are you impressed that I fly an ATR? Give me a break!

Hey, that is what I currently fly. Am I impressed that you fly an ATR? That is wonderful. I have flown on your AT7s to PFN and VPS quite a bit, mostly in the Summer. Pretty good ride.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Hey General, why did you throw that guy out the catering door at concourse E yesterday? Was it Fins?

 

[ifly4food]

Say what? I guess I can't be interested in all aspects of this industry? Why? Because you said so.....Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. I flew for a "commuter" back in the early 90's, and I have been there with experience. I can comment on whatever I choose. You seem to think slamming me will make me go away. Ask the others if that is true. Now I will focus more on you guys. And, if you want to debate me on what I say, go ahead.


Bye Bye--General Lee

See, it's inflammatory comments like that... "commuter"?

I will debate you on what you say when you say something intelligent. In your years here, you have said nothing intelligent about RJs, RJ pilots, and regional airlines, except that you don't like them, think they're a failure, blah, blah, blah. You back yourself up with "facts" straight from the DMEC. You and all of the other Widgetheads on the ALPA board have been bashing RJs for years and I'm sick of it. Get a new topic or take your rants elsewhere. This isn't your private forum to bash us "commuter" pilots.

I CAN make you go away. Consider it during your week off for flambait.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

The General gets a week off for saying "commuter"? You let Uppercrust and Chuck Yogurt rant and rave and piss off everybody yet the word "commuter" gets you banned? The word dictatorship comes to mind.

Let me get this straight....you can't say G0jets, clear&amillion.com, or commuter? Is that right? Any other words out there you Dictators wanna ban? Let me know. For now, I'll tread lightly.

 

[ifly4food]

The General gets a week off for saying "commuter"? You let Uppercrust and Chuck Yogurt rant and rave and piss off everybody yet the word "commuter" gets you banned? The word dictatorship comes to mind.

Let me get this straight....you can't say G0jets, clear&amillion.com, or commuter? Is that right? Any other words out there you Dictators wanna ban? Let me know. For now, I'll tread lightly.

No, the general got a week off for being a prick. This is a discussion forum, not a "commuter" pilots suck forum. I've been enduring his rants for years and I'm personally sick of them. This IS a dictatorship. Mark was very clear about that when he started this forum.

As for the others you mention, I haven't seen them. I don't read every post.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

IFLY4Food,

So GL thinks commuter pilots suck. How's that different from almost everyone constantly slamming Mesa, G0jets, etc? They don't get banned. There just seems to be no consistantcy (SP?) in who gets banned. I don't know GL personally, he may be a di*k. Who knows? But I don't think his opinions of regional pilots should upset you enough to give him a week off. If you ban him, you should ban everyone who takes shots at other airlines and other pilots.

 

[Skaff]

Ding dong the witch is dead....

 

[ReverseSensing]

Banning Gen. Lee for being a prick sets the prick bar pretty low (or high, depending upon how you look at it) here on Flightinfo. If that's the new standard for getting banned, there are gonna be a lot of guys gone.

I'm a "commuter" pilot, and yes, the Gen. taunts a lot of people, but so-the-fook-what!? Man, someone needs to get a little thicker skin.

Why is it every few months someone at FI.com has to go stepping on their own dick and start playing censor nanny?

 

[79%N1]

No, the general got a week off for being a prick. This is a discussion forum, not a "commuter" pilots suck forum. I've been enduring his rants for years and I'm personally sick of them. This IS a dictatorship. Mark was very clear about that when he started this forum.

As for the others you mention, I haven't seen them. I don't read every post.

Thank heavens! I believe we can all have our personal opinions, and express them here. But, GL has an agenda, and that is to butt in to hijack every thread with his anti "commuter" pilot sentiments. Opinion is one thing, but his constant blame for the DCI RJ's for all Delta and the airline industries woes is just too much. It makes these boards less enjoyable for me, which I realize is my problem, not his or any of yours. That said, I wish GL could stick to trolling the majors board and spout his 'opinion' there, where he works. We 'commuter' guys just dont need to hear it anymore! We get it......RJ's, RJDC, Fins, Surplus1, DCI, Comair, and Skywest ----- BAD!!!!

All I know, is I will enjoy my week of SWEET RELIEF!!!

 

[79%N1]

Duplicate post

 

[DrunkIrishman]

I wanted to point out that in GL's rants, he has usually been gracious to the ASA pilot group as a whole. In particular, his appreciation of furloughees being hired.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Well now that this thread is entirely hijacked, might as well run with it.

There are two basic kinds of flamebaiters here: The kind, like Gen. Lee can be sometimes, that have a point, a real perspective, and something to contribute to the "conversation." He's definitely trying to get folks riled up, and it works a lot of the time. I think that's more the problem of the folks taking the bait then it is Gen. Lee's problem.

The other kind of flamer is the kind that rarely has anything to add, has no real perspective, and is basically just a booger-flicker. "I'm gonna flick a booger on you to see how mad you get."

Gen. Lee's type of flamer shouldn't get banned, irrespective of what you think of his opinions. Debate him, flame him back, whatever, but he shouldn't be banned. The booger-flicker type, go ahead, ban 'em. They're not really adding anything worthwhile, either info-wise, or of comedic value, both of which are just as valuable in my opinion.

 

[D-Bo]

No, the general got a week off for being a prick. This is a discussion forum, not a "commuter" pilots suck forum. I've been enduring his rants for years and I'm personally sick of them. This IS a dictatorship. Mark was very clear about that when he started this forum.

As for the others you mention, I haven't seen them. I don't read every post.

Why the hell does being called a commuter pilot seem offensive to you or anyone else? I really don't get it. It's no big F'n deal. I flew for commuter airlines. I was called a commuter pilot. No big deal. It's pretty F'n weak to think so. What's your big hang up with the word "commuter" dude? You need to man up if being called a commuter pilot really bothers you that much. Would being called a regional pilot really make you feel that much better than being called a "commuter pilot"? You gotta get over it dude.

And General Lee didn't deserve to get banned. Bad move on your part. Pretty childish.



D-Bo
former "commuter pilot" and always one more furlough away from possibly becoming a "commuter pilot" again.

 

[ReportCanoa]

NAACP
ACLU
EEOC
Rainbow Coalition

All filing suits on behalf of the General to have him reinstated.

 

[Jim]

No, the general got a week off for being a prick. This is a discussion forum, not a "commuter" pilots suck forum. I've been enduring his rants for years and I'm personally sick of them. This IS a dictatorship. Mark was very clear about that when he started this forum.

As for the others you mention, I haven't seen them. I don't read every post.

Hey commuter pilot - your a prick too! You didn't ban the General for any other reason than spite. I hope you're a more professional commuter pilot than you are a moderator.

 

[ReverseSensing]

NAACP
ACLU
EEOC
Rainbow Coalition

All filing suits on behalf of the General to have him reinstated.

I haven't been paying attention. I didn't realize Gen. Lee was a black, female, lesbian, Libertarian until just now. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[81Horse]

Disinterested (sort of) but nosy observer trying to figure out why the General is spending time on the beach this week.

I read, " ... a 'commuter' pilot back in the '90s ..." (paraphrased) and it seemed inoffensive to me.

Folks, back in the day, everybody called 'em "commuters." I thought General Lee put commuter inside the quotation marks as a little bit of irony -- not as an insult.

Now, if there are other reasons he's being spanked, I'm blissfully unaware.

 

[dash8driver]

Disinterested (sort of) but nosy observer trying to figure out why the General is spending time on the beach this week.

I read, " ... a 'commuter' pilot back in the '90s ..." (paraphrased) and it seemed inoffensive to me.

Folks, back in the day, everybody called 'em "commuters." I thought General Lee put commuter inside the quotation marks as a little bit of irony -- not as an insult.

Now, if there are other reasons he's being spanked, I'm blissfully unaware.

i guess its not PC anymore and the PC police are getting restless. next thing you know you'll be getting banned for saying "stewardess" and "cockpit".

maybe they should add to the decorum rules that you're not allowed to have an opinion that differs from the moderator(s). sounds like china.




.

 

[79%N1]

PS....Even though I'll admit to being in blissful Heaven, even I don't think GL should have been banned for those remarks. But, I'll enjoy the break from his constant thread hijacks!

 

[WorldOnTime]

Nice!!

Hey commuter pilot - your a prick too! You didn't ban the General for any other reason than spite. I hope you're a more professional commuter pilot than you are a moderator.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[On Your Six]

Disinterested (sort of) but nosy observer trying to figure out why the General is spending time on the beach this week.

I read, " ... a 'commuter' pilot back in the '90s ..." (paraphrased) and it seemed inoffensive to me.

Folks, back in the day, everybody called 'em "commuters." I thought General Lee put commuter inside the quotation marks as a little bit of irony -- not as an insult.

Now, if there are other reasons he's being spanked, I'm blissfully unaware.

That's what I read from his post, and it didn't seem offensive to me. I wish a moderator would answer why he got booted.

OYS

 

[BigRed1]

I think the General adds a lot more to the forum than he takes from it. He has some strong opinions but he knows his stuff. Surprised he of all people got banned.

Come on moderator. Lighten up.

Is "commuter" the new "C" word? I think I'll go call my wife one now and see how she reacts. Wish me luck.

 

[On Your Six]

See, it's inflammatory comments like that... "commuter"?

I will debate you on what you say when you say something intelligent. In your years here, you have said nothing intelligent about RJs, RJ pilots, and regional airlines, except that you don't like them, think they're a failure, blah, blah, blah. You back yourself up with "facts" straight from the DMEC. You and all of the other Widgetheads on the ALPA board have been bashing RJs for years and I'm sick of it. Get a new topic or take your rants elsewhere. This isn't your private forum to bash us "commuter" pilots.

I CAN make you go away. Consider it during your week off for flambait.

Ifly4food,

The next post after this he said he liked your ATRs and said it was a pretty good ride. And then you banned him. Really nice. Good move Ace.

OYS