ASA LINES on 10th

[John Pennekamp]

Ya think so?

Try: nap lines will all pay minimum guarantee. Period.

Beat me to it.

Line pilots did give concessions in many areas. I fail to understand why the training department feels it shouldn't have.

Why should 1600 pilots have fallen on our swords so that 100 or so instructors and LCAs can continue to be among the highest paid in the regional industry? You are all still paid well.

As I said before, very little sympathy. I hope those of you who can't stand it quit the training department and come back to the line. You've been over there in Fairy Tale Land too long.

 

[www.]

Ya think so?

Try: nap lines will all pay minimum guarantee. Period.

Try 50% less nap lines in Feb.

 

[shamrock]

Hey John, I'll be down at your park next week doing some diving. Can I get a discount if I mention that I work with you?

Sorry to change the subject, just trying to break up the love-fest here. You may now resume your 'discussion"......

 

[ASA_Aviator]

That's not at all what I said. Try to pay attention this time.

The union AND the company agreed that the LCAs were being overcompensated. Why they agreed to that is up for discussion. It has nothing to do with "management looking for a cheaper option". This left the LCAs with a choice of continuing or resigning. Whining about it was never an option. This in a nutshell is my point.

As you stated, what we should be discussing the disparity between the LCAs and the full-fledged IPs.

No, you pay attention. The point you made was that the LCPs, if they don't like their pay, should step aside and let people who are willing to undercut them take the position.

That is the SAME thing saying, "If you don't like your new pay structure, shove it. We can get people to take your jobs for less." Isn't that exactly the sort of thing that we, as union members, have been fighting?

I'm not saying that the company and the union didn't agree to screw the LCPs. We all know that the union hung them out to dry, that isn't the question.

My point was merely that you should re-evaluate your position, since it is hypocritical. The principle is what is important here. If it can happen to the LCPs, it can happen to us.

And, by the way, the LCPs are on the line now, or did you miss that memo? They bid lines just like the rest of us. Training and Standards are different departments now. Pay attention.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

The same could be said about any pilot. If you're flying for the satisfaction of your job you should've just taken the first thing the company offered and been happy to do what you love for less!

Exactly.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Right now they are not letting LCPs pick up on days off because there is nothing to pick up. It's not like you can just go to the airport and do a stan ride to pad your paycheck. Most LCPs are not senior enough to hold more than 12 days off anyway, so even if there is work, you can't pick any up.

I'm fully aware of that. My point was that the only way to make it back up is to pick up work on days off. (Not that there is anything to pick up at the moment.)

 

[wms]

It's bad enough when mgmt says "if you don't like the money quit, I'll get some other loser to do it for less", ala JO at Mesa. Now we're doing it to each other. I feel like this guy!

 

[wms]

Ya think so?

Try: nap lines will all pay minimum guarantee. Period.

I thought duty rigs applied to CDOs on a day-for-day basis.

 

[OCP]

1 min of pay for every 2 min on duty for naps, just like everyone else. But if you look at the naps this way, most are not going to credit any more than the block. With underblock going away, there is no "on top" pay. Same thing with reserve.

 

[wms]

thanks

 

[Airboss]

On flica now
February (Bidding Opens Jan 10, 17:00LT)

 

[John Pennekamp]

No, you pay attention. The point you made was that the LCPs, if they don't like their pay, should step aside and let people who are willing to undercut them take the position.

That is the SAME thing saying, "If you don't like your new pay structure, shove it. We can get people to take your jobs for less." Isn't that exactly the sort of thing that we, as union members, have been fighting?

I'm not saying that the company and the union didn't agree to screw the LCPs. We all know that the union hung them out to dry, that isn't the question.

My point was merely that you should re-evaluate your position, since it is hypocritical. The principle is what is important here. If it can happen to the LCPs, it can happen to us.

And, by the way, the LCPs are on the line now, or did you miss that memo? They bid lines just like the rest of us. Training and Standards are different departments now. Pay attention.

I'll take all that under advisement.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey John, I'll be down at your park next week doing some diving. Can I get a discount if I mention that I work with you?

Sorry to change the subject, just trying to break up the love-fest here. You may now resume your 'discussion"......

I'd recommend It's A Dive which is located behind the Key Largo Marriott. They are owned by the Peachtree Dive Center here in PTC. They have a six pack and a cat, and all of their crews are very friendly and experienced. If it's your first time at Pennekamp, tell them you want to see "Mo" and The Elbow. If not, then tell them whatever you want to see. I'm jealous, wish I could go. I haven't been for too long.

 

[aircowboy]

Sounds like Brad Holt is allready working his magic over there. PBS is next and it sucks. You guys know he is still on the Skywest seniority list right?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

ASA can press him to resign his Skywest seniority number since his paychecks have Atlanta and not St. George on them. Can't wait 'til that happens, although he can always go back and do a management job with a low number, look at SH.

 

[sweptback]

ASA can press him to resign his Skywest seniority number since his paychecks have Atlanta and not St. George on them. Can't wait 'til that happens, although he can always go back and do a management job with a low number, look at SH.

When you get the next email from him, look at the employee number. I didn't know an ASA employee could have a 3-digit number.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Alright, but just because the rest of us have 5 digit numbers, ok, seven digit numbers including the "70," doesn't mean that he can't. Anyone know how many BL had? I don't.

 

[John Pennekamp]

When you get the next email from him, look at the employee number. I didn't know an ASA employee could have a 3-digit number.

That IS crappy that the "ASA President" still has a SkyWest Airlines employee number and seniority number. Makes one wonder if he's JUST HERE TEMPORARILY. Perhaps ASA's future isn't so certain after all. He could be to ASA what Grinstien was to Western.

Maybe we should write "askASA" why he is still an employee of SkyWest airlines, and what kind of LOA he's on. I'm sure the answer will be entertaining!

 

[shamrock]

I'd recommend It's A Dive which is located behind the Key Largo Marriott. They are owned by the Peachtree Dive Center here in PTC. They have a six pack and a cat, and all of their crews are very friendly and experienced. If it's your first time at Pennekamp, tell them you want to see "Mo" and The Elbow. If not, then tell them whatever you want to see. I'm jealous, wish I could go. I haven't been for too long.

Thanks, I'll check them out.

I did the Spiegel for the first time a little over a month ago and now I'm hooked on wrecks. Doing the Spiegel again on Monday and Wednesday and the Duane on Tuesday and Thursday.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Thanks, I'll check them out.

I did the Spiegel for the first time a little over a month ago and now I'm hooked on wrecks. Doing the Spiegel again on Monday and Wednesday and the Duane on Tuesday and Thursday.

The Spiegel is good. It's a novelty because there aren't too many large wrecks down there.

I used to live in Michigan, and the big thing up there is to dive the Great Lakes wrecks. There's hundreds of them, and they are mostly 150' or less. They're well preserved because of the fresh water. Cold water (50s year round at 100') but unlimited visibility. If you like wrecks, you should check it out. I can hook you up with my old dive shop in Ann Arbor... they do wrecks up there once a month.

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