ASA LEC Nomination Results

[John Pennekamp]

I have NO IDEA how they'll do it. I've not talked to them individually. Maybe they won't get it done but, I'm willing to give them the chance. The other group has been given 4 years+ to get it done and have failed. Time for someone else to give it a go.

OK. You're saying that you haven't talked to them, don't know if they can do what they're promising, even though they promised to quit if they don't get their way, but you'll vote for them just out of desperation and frustration because the negotiations have been drug out 4 years? That's really stupid.

When they get in and everybody on the CNC quits, and ALPA national pulls our funding, then places our MEC in recievership, how much longer do you think our negotiations will drag on? Another four years?

Think about it. Every member of the CNC and MEC, and most of the committee chairman have already said they'll quit. If your goal is to wrap up negotiations quickly, nuking the union probably isn't the smartest way to go.

 

[ohplease!]

Cut and Run!!!!!

Just give me anything and I'll sign on.

Going through life fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to live your life Son!

Dick

Has nothing to do with "cut & run" and I will not sign just any old thing but, the current group have had their chance and have failed thus far to close the deal. I say its time for a change. Nothing against Yngve or Chris ( I'm not a Doug or John fan AT ALL ), I think they are really good guy's and have tried very hard. I simply believe their hands have been a little tied behind them. Again, its just my opinion and I certainly don't have insider knowledge of what has transpired to this point.

 

[ohplease!]

OK. You're saying that you haven't talked to them, don't know if they can do what they're promising, even though they promised to quit if they don't get their way, but you'll vote for them just out of desperation and frustration because the negotiations have been drug out 4 years? That's really stupid.

When they get in and everybody on the CNC quits, and ALPA national pulls our funding, then places our MEC in recievership, how much longer do you think our negotiations will drag on? Another four years?

Think about it. Every member of the CNC and MEC, and most of the committee chairman have already said they'll quit. If your goal is to wrap up negotiations quickly, nuking the union probably isn't the smartest way to go.

WELLLLL, isn't quitting the mature, professional thing to do? Thats the attitude I'm talking about. "if you won't play by MY rules, I'll quit and go home and alpa will take back their ball".

Thats why we need a change. If they all quit, I'll step up. I think you're selling at least 2 of the CNC way short. I believe they have far more character than that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

WELLLLL, isn't quitting the mature, professional thing to do? Thats the attitude I'm talking about. "if you won't play by MY rules, I'll quit and go home and alpa will take back their ball".

Thats why we need a change. If they all quit, I'll step up. I think you're selling at least 2 of the CNC way short. I believe they have far more character than that.

It's not about character or maturity. It's about taking orders from someone you completely disgaree with in every way.

And you'd be wrong about the CNC. I predict all four will quit of Lynn/Breiling get elected.

 

[JoeMerchant]

When they get in and everybody on the CNC quits, and ALPA national pulls our funding, then places our MEC in recievership, how much longer do you think our negotiations will drag on? Another four years?

Very interesting post JP. On what basis would "ALPA national pull our funding and place us in receivership"? Who is running our negotiations and who is giving the MEC direction? If 4 members in good standing are elected by a majority, what possible reason would ALPA national have to "pull funding and place us in receivership"? Is ALPA national running these negotiations and does ALPA national think they know better than the membership who should be elected?

 

[ASARJMan]

WELLLLL, isn't quitting the mature, professional thing to do? Thats the attitude I'm talking about. "if you won't play by MY rules, I'll quit and go home and alpa will take back their ball".

That's is exactly what LJ did when she couldn't have her way when she was Vice MEC Chair a short time ago. She QUIT! So you're going to vote for her anyway. You vote, your decision. And her boytoy not much better. He hasn't performed his elected job in years as Sec/Treas, and he'll be involved if LJ wins, you can count on that!

VOTED IN FAVOR!
MEMBER OF THE "DON'T VOTE FOR LJ's COALITION"

 

[JoeMerchant]

It's not about character or maturity. It's about taking orders from someone you completely disgaree with in every way.

Exactly. Now you know why I haven't participated recently. I have disagreed with the MEC in almost every way since I took office. The sec./tres. has no power, and in fact the position has been eliminated because there is no need for the position. I warned the MEC/CNC about the course of action they were pursuing. I was dismissed as a "doomsayer" by the MEC.

I am not going to take orders from someone I completely disgree with. The difference is I don't "dislike" or "hate" them. I understand they are doing what they think is best. I have believed however that their actions would not be best for ASA pilots. One thing I have learned about ALPA, in fact they teach you this in ALPA leadership training, is that you are not to disagree with ALPA in public. That is the kiss of death if you want to participate in the system. I prefer to say what I think, regardless of how it makes ALPA look.

 

[ASARJMan]

Exactly. Now you know why I haven't participated recently. I have disagreed with the MEC in almost every way since I took office.
Recently Joey? How about YEARS! That a little more than "ecently" wouldn't you agree? Of course you disagree. You do that when you can't have your way. You then take your ball (LEC minutes)and go home to sulk.

I am not going to take orders from someone I completely disgree with.
That's very telling on your part Joey. Not a team player huh.

The difference is I don't "dislike" or "hate" them. I understand they are doing what they think is best.
They are doing what the majority wants them to do. This was done by surveys Joey.

I have believed however that their actions would not be best for ASA pilots.
Oh great! YOU know what's best for the ASA pilots huh Joey. We will see what you and your coalition thinks is best IF they get voted in.

One thing I have learned about ALPA, in fact they teach you this in ALPA leadership training, is that you are not to disagree with ALPA in public. That is the kiss of death if you want to participate in the system. I prefer to say what I think, regardless of how it makes ALPA look.
Gee Joey, you'd better go back and read all the posts you've made, here and on the ASA/ALPA message board, slamming ALPA!

VOTED IN FAVOR!
MEMBER of THE "DON'T VOTE for THE LJ COALITION" COMMITTEE

 

[ohplease!]

It's not about character or maturity. It's about taking orders from someone you completely disgaree with in every way.

And you'd be wrong about the CNC. I predict all four will quit of Lynn/Breiling get elected.

If that turns out to be the case, then my contention that they are not in it for OUR (all of our) best interest must be accurate.

Funny that someone like me, whom you have branded as "hating" the union leadership, has more respect for the integrity of those people than someone like yourself that purports to back them.

 

[VeeOne]

When are the ballots sent out for the ALPA voting??? Does anyone know when they are due- I won't be passing by my legal address for awhile to get my mail.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Very interesting post JP. On what basis would "ALPA national pull our funding and place us in receivership"? Who is running our negotiations and who is giving the MEC direction? If 4 members in good standing are elected by a majority, what possible reason would ALPA national have to "pull funding and place us in receivership"? Is ALPA national running these negotiations and does ALPA national think they know better than the membership who should be elected?

I dunno, John, I'm just telling you what I've heard. It makes sense really. When you're the new MEC chair (which we all know Lynn will make you) nobody respects you or trusts you, and they will all quit. There will be no functioning MEC (officers and reps only) and ALPA will have no choice but to place you in custodianship.

We all know who's running negotiations, don't we, John. Do you honestly believe that the locals are being allowed to play with ALPA's money? Not a chance.

Got news... if y'all get in there it will be the same way, and YOU WILL be cut off if you don't play by ALPA's country club rules.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Exactly. Now you know why I haven't participated recently. I have disagreed with the MEC in almost every way since I took office. The sec./tres. has no power, and in fact the position has been eliminated because there is no need for the position. I warned the MEC/CNC about the course of action they were pursuing. I was dismissed as a "doomsayer" by the MEC.

I am not going to take orders from someone I completely disgree with. The difference is I don't "dislike" or "hate" them. I understand they are doing what they think is best. I have believed however that their actions would not be best for ASA pilots. One thing I have learned about ALPA, in fact they teach you this in ALPA leadership training, is that you are not to disagree with ALPA in public. That is the kiss of death if you want to participate in the system. I prefer to say what I think, regardless of how it makes ALPA look.

What a cop out. So you're basically saying they wouldn't listen to you, so you quit. Just like your selfish, leatherfaced, OLD LADY!

 

[Speedtape]

The more you guys bash this group of fellow pilots, the more I think that there is merit to an MEC change.

Here's an idea. Let's not talk about the issues. Let's sling mug, name call, and make inflamatory statements about people. In addition, let's do it behind a screen name on a public forum so that no one will know who we are.

Let's not mudsling! Just look at the history and facts! Those say volumes!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Let's not mudsling! Just look at the history and facts! Those say volumes!

Oh, but apparently talking the TRUTH about their unsatisfactory history is slinging mud. Guess the truth hurts too much.

 

[Speedtape]

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Their plan is "we'll roll over and have you a contract in 90 days." They also are promising a jean day on Monday's and Friday's.

Those other 3 people that LJ has roped into her little scheme have no idea of what they have gotten themselves into. A fellow pilot that is in R/T with one of the F/O's that is running on her ticket, was asked today some real basic questions about their platform and how they were going to achieve their 90 day goal, and the poor guy doesn't have a clue! HMMMM!

I think we need to think this one out real carefully.

L.J. , quit hiding out in the smoking room and behind Chuck Vier's office door! Come into the crew lounge and face the pilots you want to vote for you. You need to answer some questions about your ALPA experience. You need to answer some questions with more detail about how your plan can work. You need to answer some questions about why you think you deserve our trust. Why are you hiding behind three other innocent pilots?

Why did you get recalled? Why did you go into mangagement? Why did you leave management--sounds like you may not have? Why did you quit the MEC Vice-Chair job? Why should you deserve the trust of this pilot group?

Those are things that need to be answered--or maybe not!

Most of us that have been here for any length of time have been paying attention and don't have short memories!


I vote NO to the COmpany CO----alition! Of really ONE!


Vote NO to COalition!
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[Tomct]

SCREW THE STAB IN OUR BACKS FOUR!!! Stand by our current CNC, this is only going to accomplish what mgmnt wants! These guys are just a bunch of mgmnt "yes men...errr.....leather face chic....yes women!"

Stand UNITED behind OUR MEC and CNC!!!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

We all know who's running negotiations, don't we, John. Do you honestly believe that the locals are being allowed to play with ALPA's money? Not a chance.

Got news... if y'all get in there it will be the same way, and YOU WILL be cut off if you don't play by ALPA's country club rules.

Sounds like we have a problem then. ALPA shouldn't be running our negotiations. Why are we allowing ALPA to run negotiations?

As far as cutting off our funds, they won't do that. The discovery phase of the RJDC lawsuit is just about finished and will be going to trial soon. How would it look if ALPA pulled money from one of the plaintiff groups in a DFR lawsuit?

In addition, ALPA wants Skywest to join. The vote is going to be close. How would it look to the Skywest pilots if ALPA pulled our funding? That would be enough to kill the ALPA drive.

 

[Bizjet]

Exactly. Now you know why I haven't participated recently. I have disagreed with the MEC in almost every way since I took office. The sec./tres. has no power, and in fact the position has been eliminated because there is no need for the position. I warned the MEC/CNC about the course of action they were pursuing. I was dismissed as a "doomsayer" by the MEC.

Joe you have taken ALPA LEC property and refused to return it after numerous request to do so. You can post all of your crap about why you haven't done your job but the real reason is because you have no integerity. You were elected to office as LEC Sec/Treas. One of your required duties is to take the minutes at the LEC meetings. You have refused to do your elected duties for the LEC and ATL pilots. You don't have to get along with the MEC since you only work for the LEC Chairman. Your arguements are invalid. If you were nearly as clever as you think you are you would have done the job you were elected to do. You would have then earned the right to complain about the LEC and their performance. You are trying to use your position to bring embarrassment to the LEC. It is not working it only makes you look like a selfish fool. At least Lynn Jackson quit when she couldn't covertly take over the MEC using her Vice Chairman's position. But you even refuse to do that. Instead you have challenged the pilots and the LEC leadership to recall you. You are far too insignificant for them to waste their time on giving you that kind of attention. Both you and Lynn have shown that you only follow your own agenda. Neither of you can be trusted to do what the Wilson Center polling results mandate from our pilots.

I hope our pilots go to the trouble of checking both of your and Lynn's past peformance doing ALPA work. You both have failed to follow the direction of the MEC and when forced to comply you two start your misinformation campaign. Everytime the two of you were given another chance to do union work the results have been the same. You use the position for advancing your own agendas. The Pay for Training Reimbursement in Contract '98' is a perfect example. The two of you were not authorized to negotiate for that but because you were one who would benefit you did so at other pilots expense.

I am not going to take orders from someone I completely disgree with. The difference is I don't "dislike" or "hate" them. I understand they are doing what they think is best. I have believed however that their actions would not be best for ASA pilots. One thing I have learned about ALPA, in fact they teach you this in ALPA leadership training, is that you are not to disagree with ALPA in public. That is the kiss of death if you want to participate in the system. I prefer to say what I think, regardless of how it makes ALPA look.

You have visible disdain for those you don't agree with. Who are you trying to B.S. with your "I don't dislike or hate them". You are one of the more spiteful individuals I have ever met and are only surpassed by your surly girl friend.

ALPA doesn't teach that you are not to disagree with ALPA in public. Why do you make this stuff up? You say what you think even if it is riddled with lies. That is another one of your major problems. When members of the MEC in '98' asked Lynn Jackson if the two of you were involved in a personal relationship she replied, "NO,WE ARE ONLY FRIENDS and fly together a lot". She lied to the MEC because they had told her that would preclude her from selecting you as a negotiating team member since she was married. The two of you have a track record of WILFUL DISCEIT even in your personal lives.

 

[ohplease!]

You have visible disdain for those you don't agree with. Who are you trying to B.S. with your "I don't dislike or hate them". You are one of the more spiteful individuals I have ever met and are only surpassed by your surly girl friend.

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hello POT. Have you met KETTLE????? Do you even listen to yourself??

 

[FDJ2]

The two of you have a track record of WILFUL DISCEIT even in your personal lives.

That's what you can expect from a PFT/RJDC rogue.

 

[ASARJMan]

hello POT. Have you met KETTLE????? Do you even listen to yourself??

Are you even paying attention to what Bizjet's telling you? Joe Merchant is a big part, if not the biggest part, of the LJ coalition! Bizjet gives you examples of their agenda and you still don't get it. Their lies, and you still want to vote for them?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Bizjet]

That's what you can expect from a PFT/RJDC rogue.

Joey has always gotten his way. His parents were both doctors. He thinks that he must always get his way just like he did when he lived at home. He probably used his pay for training money for alcohol or to give to the RJDC. He should have used it for professional counseling. The guy has issues. Maybe he could learn to look his fellow pilots in the eye while he is lying to them.

 

[Speedtape]

Are you even paying attention to what Bizjet's telling you? Joe Merchant is a big part, if not the biggest part, of the LJ coalition! Bizjet gives you examples of their agenda and you still don't get it. Their lies, and you still want to vote for them?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

Little William misses his Skipper!

 

[Speedtape]

hello POT. Have you met KETTLE????? Do you even listen to yourself??

William,

Did you attend Auburn?

 

[Bizjet]

Sounds like we have a problem then. ALPA shouldn't be running our negotiations. Why are we allowing ALPA to run negotiations?

As far as cutting off our funds, they won't do that. The discovery phase of the RJDC lawsuit is just about finished and will be going to trial soon. How would it look if ALPA pulled money from one of the plaintiff groups in a DFR lawsuit?

In addition, ALPA wants Skywest to join. The vote is going to be close. How would it look to the Skywest pilots if ALPA pulled our funding? That would be enough to kill the ALPA drive.

Everyone knows that you are doing all you can to derail the ALPA organizing drive at SkyWest. Your hatred for ALPA is well known and you will use any methods including lying to prevent the SkyWest pilots from joining. Your close ties to ASA management is also well established. How much are they paying you for your assistance and your misinformation campaign? When will you and Lynn be given management positions or will you just try to destroy the union from within?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Here's a great speech from Lynn Jackson:

http://www.alzheimer.ca/english/haveAD/speakingout-02-lynnj1.htm

 

[BCpilot81]

That is awesome

 

[FightingIrish]

Here's a great speech from Lynn Jackson:

http://www.alzheimer.ca/english/haveAD/speakingout-02-lynnj1.htm

That is absolutely the most despicable thing you status quo chest thumpers have posted. To those of you still on the fence, here is how the status quo, hold the line people attack anyone who disagrees with them. Not only do they attack anyone who disagrees with them, but they attack everyone with this serious disease. Alzheimers is not a laughing matter, and this is way out of line.

 

[GreatView]

That is absolutely the most despicable thing you status quo chest thumpers have posted. To those of you still on the fence, here is how the status quo, hold the line people attack anyone who disagrees with them. Not only do they attack anyone who disagrees with them, but they attack everyone with this serious disease. Alzheimers is not a laughing matter, and this is way out of line.

Would you expect anything differently though. It's funny how its the same 3-4 guys that are the only ones ranting and slinging personal attacks on this board for those who don't support our current MEC/CNC. Personal attacks are for those who are uneducated and uninformed.

These people are "extremists" in every aspect. They don't care about the facts or what other people think. All they think about is what their "Imam" told them (ie...ALPA) and that is what they stick with. It's sad to think that they can't think for themselves or respect the rights of others.

I will pray for their release from these Islamofacist ideals!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Would you expect anything differently though. It's funny how its the same 3-4 guys that are the only ones ranting and slinging personal attacks on this board for those who don't support our current MEC/CNC. Personal attacks are for those who are uneducated and uninformed.

These people are "extremists" in every aspect. They don't care about the facts or what other people think. All they think about is what their "Imam" told them (ie...ALPA) and that is what they stick with. It's sad to think that they can't think for themselves or respect the rights of others.

I will pray for their release from these Islamofacist ideals!

Yes, the alzheimer's thing was way over the top and in exceedingly poor taste. And yes, I have watched that disease ravage my family and I agree it is no laughing matter.

However.... could you be a little more overly dramatic?? Islamofacist?? Imam?? Do you just write down all the big words you see on Fox News in the hopes you can use them somewhere? Your analogy is exceedingly poor at best and irresponsibly misguided at worst. You, sir, are the worst kind of uneducated fool... the kind that fails to realize his intellectual limitations. To compare your union leadership to the islamist movement in the middle east simply shows your lack of education on current affairs.