ASA LEC Meeting

[Freebrd]

Was flying. Anything of note occur?

 

[Sinca3]

Was flying. Anything of note occur?

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[FORESTGUMP]

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I wasn't able to be there but, from what I understand, Yngve and Chris and the gang changed their song about what was discussed during the "supposals". I hear now they are saying the company didn't "suppose" anything.....well, which is it?

 

[ASACAPT]

I wasn't able to be there but, from what I understand, Yngve and Chris and the gang changed their song about what was discussed during the "supposals". I hear now they are saying the company didn't "suppose" anything.....well, which is it?

The problem is that the CNC has been misquoted from the beginning. They did not change their tune, they only restated what had been said from the beginning. This is the problem with these informal meetings, info changes from one person to the next. Bottom line has been essentially current book in exchange for dual qual + PBS after 4 years of negotiations.......

 

[Sinca3]

Unless you were there...let's keep the supposals and the he said she said BS out of this thread!

 

[FORESTGUMP]

The problem is that the CNC has been misquoted from the beginning. They did not change their tune, they only restated what had been said from the beginning. This is the problem with these informal meetings, info changes from one person to the next. Bottom line has been essentially current book in exchange for dual qual + PBS after 4 years of negotiations.......

I beg to differ sir. I was there in the C lounge last week and talked to Yngve and Chris. Chris didn't talk a lot but, Yngve said (more than once) the company had made a "supposal" that basically would grant the things that ALPA was asking for. The string attached to the deal was PBS and they didn't want to agree to the PBS because they didn't feel the system the company would use would be very good. PBS would also make many of the sec. 13 agreements that have alreay been reached, meaningless.

Yngve said the company then withdrew their "supposal". Now I'm hearing the CNC is reporting nothing was "supposed". Which is it?

 

[goodto50meters]

I beg to differ sir. I was there in the C lounge last week and talked to Yngve and Chris. Chris didn't talk a lot but, Yngve said (more than once) the company had made a "supposal" that basically would grant the things that ALPA was asking for. The string attached to the deal was PBS and they didn't want to agree to the PBS because they didn't feel the system the company would use would be very good. PBS would also make many of the sec. 13 agreements that have alreay been reached, meaningless.

Yngve said the company then withdrew their "supposal". Now I'm hearing the CNC is reporting nothing was "supposed". Which is it?

Forest Forest Gump,

I was at both, they said the same thing in C as they said at the meeting yesterday.


Sorry-You are either wrong or a liar. I hope it is just your mistake.

 

[FL990]

I beg to differ sir. I was there in the C lounge last week and talked to Yngve and Chris. Chris didn't talk a lot but, Yngve said (more than once) the company had made a "supposal" that basically would grant the things that ALPA was asking for. The string attached to the deal was PBS and they didn't want to agree to the PBS because they didn't feel the system the company would use would be very good. PBS would also make many of the sec. 13 agreements that have alreay been reached, meaningless.

Yngve said the company then withdrew their "supposal". Now I'm hearing the CNC is reporting nothing was "supposed". Which is it?

Isn't this the same guy that said "But you ain't got no legs Lt. Dan.."

Quit muddy'n up the water..

The company (according to Mgmt and ALPA) wanted to pass the ta'd section 13 with the proposals the other "supposals" they had made ...ie no more pay cuts etc...in exchange for a side letter that stated we must accept PBS within a given time frame (i believe it was 12 months) from date of signing...

THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD DO THAT!!! What would keep them from stalling and stalling, then in month 11, sayin "here it is" and you have to take it....they could force whatever they want on us.

If we are going to go to PBS, which is inevitable, we must make sure it is done correctly!!

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Forest Forest Gump,

I was at both, they said the same thing in C as they said at the meeting yesterday.


Sorry-You are either wrong or a liar. I hope it is just your mistake.

you are the first to have said to have been there both times. I stand corrected. thanks for the correction. I had hoped yngve & chris would be straighter shooters than that.

 

[SSDD]

Oh Forrest,

That's bad man. Either you heard them say it, or you didn't.

I stand corrected????? Why? Because you got caught?

 

[~~~^~~~]

The problem is that the CNC has been misquoted from the beginning. They did not change their tune, they only restated what had been said from the beginning. This is the problem with these informal meetings, info changes from one person to the next. Bottom line has been essentially current book in exchange for dual qual + PBS after 4 years of negotiations.......

I was there and what ASACapt wrote is correct.

All that really can be added is that the SkyWest "Zoltaire"(?) post we saw was accurate and was SAPA's table position to management. (This was a whole lot better than ASA was sort of offered in "supposal" form - which is current book, PBS + dual qual.)

I came out of the meeting believing our CNC is being pretty reasonable. They want to negotiate in a formal setting since management "supposals" change too rapidly to be dealt with effectively. For instance they have spent nearly 2 years on section 13, which would be a whole lot different under a PBS. In fact we had asked management several times about PBS and they always said they were not interested. Now management wants PBS and we need to research the subject, poll the pilots and negotiate. PBS is obviously concessionary and we need to be sure we (the pilot group) knows what we are getting ourselves in to. It is just more than can be done in two weeks.

Management does not want a formal setting because it gets us closer to being released and because it limits their options. The thought is that management gutting Section 13, which has been TA'd, would anger the Mediator.

I think everyone wants a deal, but our CNC is looking down the road and wants the right deal that does not undercut others in our profession. In fact a resolution was passed saying "NO" to gowth through concessions.

 

[ASARJMan]

IManagement does not want a formal setting because it gets us closer to being released and because it limits their options. The thought is that management gutting Section 13, which has been TA'd, would anger the Mediator..

Well, there you go ASADriver and Ohplease! You two cool with the explanation? Or, are you still pouting? Did you attend Ohplease? I know ASADriver didn't. Management pukes aren't invited.

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[ASARJMan]

Oh Forrest,

That's bad man. Either you heard them say it, or you didn't.

I stand corrected????? Why? Because you got caught?

Another wannabe mgt puke ole Forest is! Yeah, he got caught.

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[601Pilot]

I was there and what ASACapt wrote is correct.

All that really can be added is that the SkyWest "Zoltaire"(?) post we saw was accurate and was SAPA's table position to management. (This was a whole lot better than ASA was sort of offered in "supposal" form - which is current book, PBS + dual qual.)

I came out of the meeting believing our CNC is being pretty reasonable. They want to negotiate in a formal setting since management "supposals" change too rapidly to be dealt with effectively. For instance they have spent nearly 2 years on section 13, which would be a whole lot different under a PBS. In fact we had asked management several times about PBS and they always said they were not interested. Now management wants PBS and we need to research the subject, poll the pilots and negotiate. PBS is obviously concessionary and we need to be sure we (the pilot group) knows what we are getting ourselves in to. It is just more than can be done in two weeks.

Management does not want a formal setting because it gets us closer to being released and because it limits their options. The thought is that management gutting Section 13, which has been TA'd, would anger the Mediator.

I think everyone wants a deal, but our CNC is looking down the road and wants the right deal that does not undercut others in our profession. In fact a resolution was passed saying "NO" to gowth through concessions.

I heard they were declining anymore of these informal meetings since they are unproductive. It could be just a rumor though.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireRelease us already....Big D and Skywst would CRUMBLE in a matter of days!! They better wake up SOON!

 

[COOPERVANE]

Push for release........NOW!!!

eject! eject! eject!!!

 

[HarryParatestes]

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[John Pennekamp]

I wasn't able to be there but, from what I understand, Yngve and Chris and the gang changed their song about what was discussed during the "supposals". I hear now they are saying the company didn't "suppose" anything.....well, which is it?

If you weren't there than STFU with your spin on what you "heard" happened. Your comments are pure heresay.

 

[John Pennekamp]

And why did "Joe Merchant" skip the LEC meeting again? I checked his schedule and he was not working. Why does he continue to flip off the pilots that elected him by refusing to do his job?

I love how he can come on flightinfo and post all kinds of anti everyone rants, but lacks the courage to show his face at an LEC meeting. What say you, "Joe"?

 

[ASARJMan]

And why did "Joe Merchant" skip the LEC meeting again? quote]

.....mommy wouldn't let him? (aka his older gf).

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