ASA July bidding

[wms]

There won't be PBS in the jcba.

 

[Jags1]

Off topic a bit, but when did they take away reserves ability to view opentime?

 

[wms]

I am 100% for dual qual. As long as we get a blended rate that is higher than current 700/900 pay. No SKW block override silliness

I think they want dual qual because we keep getting more DTW flying on the 200

With dual qual 50-seat CRJ pilots will make more than 50-seat ERJ pilots. I'd say odds are about 2600-1700 that ain't happening.

 

[Gulf-front]

If it's true that the MEC brought forward the idea for line bidding TDY. They need to be recalled! This is the last straw of many!
P.s. Enjoy the unstacking next mounth!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

If it's true that the MEC brought forward the idea for line bidding TDY. They need to be recalled! This is the last straw of many!
P.s. Enjoy the unstacking next mounth!

It really does suck that the bottom 30% may have to fly weekends. That never happened with line bidding! We should go back to that.

 

[Abernathy]

It really does suck that the bottom 30% may have to fly weekends. That never happened with line bidding! We should go back to that.

What does that have to do with what he said?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

What does that have to do with what he said?

Read the PBS agreement. Unstacking is when the bottom 30% get assigned the weekend trips first. (or whenever the most trips are uncovered after the bid is run)

I was commenting on his last comment about enjoying unstacking next month.

 

[BCpilot81]

I am 100% for dual qual. As long as we get a blended rate that is higher than current 700/900 pay. No SKW block override silliness

I think they want dual qual because we keep getting more DTW flying on the 200

I 100% agree with you, so long as it is for a rate that is better than the current. This way sick time and vacation time is also paid at said flat rate. I hear that SKYW gets 200 pay for both sick and vacation time.

 

[Gulf-front]

Read the PBS agreement. Unstacking is when the bottom 30% get assigned the weekend trips first. (or whenever the most trips are uncovered after the bid is run)

I was commenting on his last comment about enjoying unstacking next month.

Well that's all great and all! 7 year+ CA's with zeroed out schedule preferences! Don't fool your self, it will not stop at 30%. Oh and Res. % to increase as well. PBS rocks!!!

 

[OCP]

Well that's all great and all! 7 year+ CA's with zeroed out schedule preferences! Don't fool your self, it will not stop at 30%. Oh and Res. % to increase as well. PBS rocks!!!

READ. You don't get "zeroed out schedule". They only take the date over the dates(s) they need to "unstack" then revert to your preference.


Unstacking
Unstacking is a tool used during the PBS bid run process to reduce large stacks of open time on a certain day or a group of days.
Unstack Rules and Limitations

1. In a non-holiday month, unstacking will be limited to 30% of line holders in each position in inverse seniority order.
2. In a holiday month, unstacking will be limited to 50% of line holders in each position in inverse seniority order.
3. “Holiday” means the following days: Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year’s Day.
4. If unstacking is utilized it will only be done to the lowest possible level in seniority to cover the open flying so as to affect the fewest number of pilots in each position.
5. One unstack bid sheet is allowed. This is in addition to 3 regular bid sheets.
6. The limit of 200 preferences includes the unstack bid sheet.
7. Unstacking may span a day or several days.
8. A pilot with vacation IS subject to unstacking

How It Works
Once it is determined that unstacking is necessary, the next step is to figure out how many trips need to be awarded during the unstacked period. Let’s say there are 20 pairings unassigned that all touch or start on Thanksgiving. Taking the number of reserves into account, it is determined that 10 of those 20 pairings need to get assigned during the bid run process. PrefBid will start with the most junior line holder and look for 10 pilots that are not already working on Thanksgiving, in inverse seniority order. Let’s say that PrefBid had to go 15 numbers up the seniority list to find 10 pilots not working on Thanksgiving. PrefBid will wipe all 15 affected schedules clean. It will then start building the most senior pilots’ schedule first. The first pairing that it awards is the pairing from the unstacked period, then the system will move back to bid sheet #1 (or whichever bid sheet you chose from the unstack bid sheet) and builds the rest of their schedule, according to the pilot’s preferences, around the unstacked pairing or pairings. PrefBid will continue building the rest of the schedules in seniority order.

 

[Flyguy1226]

Anyone see the Cancel Report for today? We've canceled 20+ flights for no crews available.... Awesome.

 

[Gulf-front]

READ. You don't get "zeroed out schedule". They only take the date over the dates(s) they need to "unstack" then revert to your preference.


Unstacking
Unstacking is a tool used during the PBS bid run process to reduce large stacks of open time on a certain day or a group of days.
Unstack Rules and Limitations

1. In a non-holiday month, unstacking will be limited to 30% of line holders in each position in inverse seniority order.
2. In a holiday month, unstacking will be limited to 50% of line holders in each position in inverse seniority order.
3. “Holiday” means the following days: Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year’s Day.
4. If unstacking is utilized it will only be done to the lowest possible level in seniority to cover the open flying so as to affect the fewest number of pilots in each position.
5. One unstack bid sheet is allowed. This is in addition to 3 regular bid sheets.
6. The limit of 200 preferences includes the unstack bid sheet.
7. Unstacking may span a day or several days.
8. A pilot with vacation IS subject to unstacking

How It Works
Once it is determined that unstacking is necessary, the next step is to figure out how many trips need to be awarded during the unstacked period. Let’s say there are 20 pairings unassigned that all touch or start on Thanksgiving. Taking the number of reserves into account, it is determined that 10 of those 20 pairings need to get assigned during the bid run process. PrefBid will start with the most junior line holder and look for 10 pilots that are not already working on Thanksgiving, in inverse seniority order. Let’s say that PrefBid had to go 15 numbers up the seniority list to find 10 pilots not working on Thanksgiving. PrefBid will wipe all 15 affected schedules clean. It will then start building the most senior pilots’ schedule first. The first pairing that it awards is the pairing from the unstacked period, then the system will move back to bid sheet #1 (or whichever bid sheet you chose from the unstack bid sheet) and builds the rest of their schedule, according to the pilot’s preferences, around the unstacked pairing or pairings. PrefBid will continue building the rest of the schedules in seniority order.

Yep my schedule wiped out, and crap put back in it's place. Sure it will look at the pref., but I no longer hold what I could have held otherwise! This was not a problem with line bidding for me. I knew within +or- 2 line what I could hold.

 

[looking_down]

Anyone see the Cancel Report for today? We've canceled 20+ flights for no crews available.... Awesome.

Latest count is 26 cancelled flights due to shortage of crews (DCI only)

 

[centralpilot]

Latest count is 26 cancelled flights due to shortage of crews (DCI only)

Where do you find this?

EDIT: Never mind; I found it.

 

[Ted]

I don't really have an opinion either way. I think those on the 200 (majority) will want it because it will dilute the crap trips in the 200.

Don't count on that. Only way 200 guys want it is for 700/900+ pay for everyone all the time. Why should the 7/9 guys take on the added liability for an additional set of limitations and systems without a pay raise? Same for 200 guys. Without a drastic change in management, we're never going to make it to the next contract anyway.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Don't count on that. Only way 200 guys want it is for 700/900+ pay for everyone all the time. Why should the 7/9 guys take on the added liability for an additional set of limitations and systems without a pay raise? Same for 200 guys. Without a drastic change in management, we're never going to make it to the next contract anyway.

Agree 100%

 

[aussieflyboy]

XJT guy here. I'm still willing to listen to the pros and cons of PBS in order to make an informed decision, but at this stage I doubt many of us xjt'ers are going to be voting for a contract containing PBS. I know to get a yes vote from me, we're going to have to see some really special improvements in pay and work rules for it to warrant consideration.

 

[Max Q]

All this line bidding vs. PBS talk is hilarious. This company is going to bone us no matter what kind of bidding system we have if we continue voting in contracts with weak ass language.

 

[centralpilot]

All this line bidding vs. PBS talk is hilarious. This company is going to bone us no matter what kind of bidding system we have if we continue voting in contracts with weak ass language.

Best post of the year!

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[Freebrd]

True dat,

oh, and "thanks for all you do",

oh, and "it doesn't matter how we got here"