ASA July bidding

[crj567]

Agreed, mngmt has screwed the pooch trying to sell this to XJT. However, you guys think it's bad now? Wait until you see what the lines will like after the merger if we do go back to line bidding. The same stuff will happen and there will be fewer options to make it better. This is the new regional model, the days of guaranteed profits are over. I'm not saying I like it or that I agree with it. I am saying you're nuts if you think going back to line bidding will fix this.

As many of us tried to convince this pilot group:

-We simply should have fixed these obvious problems BEFORE we voted this horrible agreement in. We could have headed all this off at the pass. Now, we have one hell of a mess to fix, and I am not confident that our negotiators will fix anything.

I am afraid they will simply include more swiss-cheese language and tell all of us that we have protections which we simply don't. -Again

 

[COOPERVANE]

And like a big cherry on top.......next will be dual qualification........Yep.....that will fix ALL of our problems. That will be the next sell.

 

[dojetdriver]

Wait until you see what the lines will like after the merger if we do go back to line bidding. The same stuff will happen and there will be fewer options to make it better.

If the new yet to be named company goes back to the way ASA handled line bidding, that would be correct.

If the new yet to be named company KEEPS the way XJT handles line bidding, the ILIW, and the SLIW, that would NOT be correct.

 

[79%N1]

And ASA management desperately wanted to get rid of the old crappy line bid system and implement PBS. So much so they declared they would allow us to strike before they gave in if it came to it in a new negotiation. So, if the XJT system is the one we decide on bargaining for, why would they want that system? For those at XJT that say they won't or shouldn't have to give up anything to keep that system, that is not how negotiations work. Management is going to propose PBS, and we propose the XJT system. To get here, you give up there. The XJT system is probably the desired one to use for us. It will cost us to get it.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

And like a big cherry on top.......next will be dual qualification........Yep.....that will fix ALL of our problems. That will be the next sell.

Common category flying, or dual qualification? I don't expect to be flying ERJs around, so you must mean common category. All of our variants are a common type rating.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I don't know if you are aware, but at ASA, a CRJ200 pilot cannot fly a CRJ700 or vice-versa. Dual qualification would allow this.

Do you understand now?

 

[SiuDude]

I don't know if you are aware, but at ASA, a CRJ200 pilot cannot fly a CRJ700 or vice-versa. Dual qualification would allow this.

Do you understand now?

Dual qualification typically refers to flying two different types.
I.e., flying a 757 and a 767 is not considered dual qualification.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I don't know if you are aware, but at ASA, a CRJ200 pilot cannot fly a CRJ700 or vice-versa. Dual qualification would allow this.

Do you understand now?

Don't act like I'm the idiot when you don't know the difference between a common type rating (common category) and different type ratings (dual qualification).

We've been calling it the wrong thing at ASA. I guess we can't fault you for your ignorance...

 

[COOPERVANE]

Yeah, you're right. We should split hairs and argue over terminology instead of standing up to the attempt to erode our quality of life further.

But I suppose you think it's a good idea.

 

[PapaSiera]

And ASA management desperately wanted to get rid of the old crappy line bid system and implement PBS. So much so they declared they would allow us to strike before they gave in if it came to it in a new negotiation. So, if the XJT system is the one we decide on bargaining for, why would they want that system? For those at XJT that say they won't or shouldn't have to give up anything to keep that system, that is not how negotiations work. Management is going to propose PBS, and we propose the XJT system. To get here, you give up there. The XJT system is probably the desired one to use for us. It will cost us to get it.

Why would it cost us anything to give up what we already have? It's more likely that it's going to cost ASA management something for us to consider PBS.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Yeah, you're right. We should split hairs and argue over terminology instead of standing up to the attempt to erode our quality of life further.

But I suppose you think it's a good idea.

I don't really have an opinion either way. I think those on the 200 (majority) will want it because it will dilute the crap trips in the 200.

 

[777forever]

I don't really have an opinion either way. I think those on the 200 (majority) will want it because it will dilute the crap trips in the 200.

I am 100% for dual qual. As long as we get a blended rate that is higher than current 700/900 pay. No SKW block override silliness

I think they want dual qual because we keep getting more DTW flying on the 200

 

[blesko]

Don't act like I'm the idiot when you don't know the difference between a common type rating (common category) and different type ratings (dual qualification).

We've been calling it the wrong thing at ASA. I guess we can't fault you for your ignorance...

Not really true there. FAR 61.57 states the requirements. Category is airplane, airship LTA or rotorcraft. Class is airplane single engine/multi engine, etc, common type is self explanitory. If it were a common category, it would be an airplane. It's a common type. The 717 and MD series are all common types to the DC-9. Dual qual is simplified meeting the insurance mins on the appropriate type airframe.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I am 100% for dual qual. As long as we get a blended rate that is higher than current 700/900 pay. No SKW block override silliness

I think they want dual qual because we keep getting more DTW flying on the 200

Why not have two rates and get paid for which one you fly? Why should the 700 guys get a pay cut?

 

[701EV]

no dual qualification!!!

 

[Plainsman]

You guys need to learn to wipe before you start talking about dual qual. They gutted us with PBS, they will do it with dual qual. What, I bet some of you ninnies will take dual qual for an ipad that cost $400 that will be pay deducted. Come on.

 

[777forever]

Why not have two rates and get paid for which one you fly? Why should the 700 guys get a pay cut?

If you have two rates then you have the block override system SKW has.700 guys won't get a paycut if the blended rate is higher than current 700 pay

 

[Abernathy]

I am 100% for dual qual. As long as we get a blended rate that is higher than current 700/900 pay. No SKW block override silliness

I think they want dual qual because we keep getting more DTW flying on the 200

I think most of us would be OK with that however that would defeat the purpose for the company and therefore would likely not happen that way.

If the company offered dual qual at 700/900 rates +5%, I'll support it.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Not really true there. FAR 61.57 states the requirements. Category is airplane, airship LTA or rotorcraft. Class is airplane single engine/multi engine, etc, common type is self explanitory. If it were a common category, it would be an airplane. It's a common type. The 717 and MD series are all common types to the DC-9. Dual qual is simplified meeting the insurance mins on the appropriate type airframe.

Of course it is a common type. What I mean is that if we join all of the "categories" that we have at ASA (CRJ 200 vs CRJ 700/900) then our flying will be "common category" flying. The distinction that we draw at ASA will go away.

Jesus. This isn't that hard folks. My only point is that it isn't a dual qualification to fly the 200 and the 700/900.

A dual qualification would consist of being rated on the CRJ and the ERJ at the same time. Now that we have two "types" of aircraft at Atlantic Southeast, calling 200 and 700/900 flying dual qual is stupid and misleading.

 

[johnpeace]

When has this company ever used scheduling flexibility to make our lives better?

So why would anyone here favor giving them more flexibility?