ASA insurance... cost rising again!

[Gator1999]

JP brings up something that is important to many ASA pilots, and the best you can do is ridicule him for it?

Get a life.

All companies have certain costs to bear. Some companies value their employees and want to see them as healthy, productive members of the team. Other companies value their profit margins and see employees as detractors from the bottom line.

Enjoyed the LSU game this weekend...let me see, how did that turn out? :laugh:

So you must be one of those regional types that would sell your family to jumpseat and get passes on the airlines and maybe just someday fly a 757 to have some kind of self worth. Forget the healthcare and QOL issues, you're willing to work for crap wages and get browbeaten by management for years. Have fun with that. Oh and thanks to NetJets I have a life now, the best thing I ever did was leave the regionals and now I have more time to spend with my family with all my time off and that I have HBA rights, excellent company paid for heatlh care, and now it looks like I'm going to be getting paid six figures and I've only been here for 3 years, so I'm sure that you can't relate...but good luck with that and maybe someday you'll see that there is more to this job than just flying a big airliner for a living.

As for the Gator game, as I recall, LSU was behind the whole game and if it weren't for the 2 Florida turnovers, we would have been able to hold on for that last minute of the game. You can thank us for the win, because you sure didn't do it on your own merit or prove to the rest of the country that LSU is the best program in the country.

 

[PCL_128]

Wow. Calm down. Just because some guys like to have pass benefits doesn't mean that they think they are more important than health benefits or anything else. I'm glad that NetJets is working out for you. Sounds like a great company. But you don't need to bash guys that like to use their pass benefits.

 

[Speedtape]

So you must be one of those regional types that would sell your family to jumpseat and get passes on the airlines and maybe just someday fly a 757 to have some kind of self worth. Forget the healthcare and QOL issues, you're willing to work for crap wages and get browbeaten by management for years. Have fun with that. Oh and thanks to NetJets I have a life now, the best thing I ever did was leave the regionals and now I have more time to spend with my family with all my time off and that I have HBA rights, excellent company paid for heatlh care, and now it looks like I'm going to be getting paid six figures and I've only been here for 3 years, so I'm sure that you can't relate...but good luck with that and maybe someday you'll see that there is more to this job than just flying a big airliner for a living.

As for the Gator game, as I recall, LSU was behind the whole game and if it weren't for the 2 Florida turnovers, we would have been able to hold on for that last minute of the game. You can thank us for the win, because you sure didn't do it on your own merit or prove to the rest of the country that LSU is the best program in the country.

Just wondering, does NetJets make a profit? It's just a glorified corporate job that will end some day.

 

[IFollowRoads]

Guys, the salad days are over. The majors don't even offer long term job security any more. No one that gets into this line of work today is going to enjoy 20+ solid years of bringing home buckets of money. The sooner you come to grips with this the happier you'll be.

 

[TX_DFW]

CX does not charge pilots for INS either. But you don't have INS when you retire go figure.

 

[gator_hater]

No, I think all companies should pay 100% health care costs, period.

Insurance, like pensions, are benefits dreamed up post WWII to get people out of the armed forces and into the private sector. Now that the economics have changed people feel entitled and take no responsibility for their own health and costs of living. There are some things that we should just pay for.

You mentioned nothing about the HSA and High deductible plan which may be interesting.

 

[CFI2766]

So you must be one of those regional types that would sell your family to jumpseat and get passes on the airlines and maybe just someday fly a 757 to have some kind of self worth. Forget the healthcare and QOL issues, you're willing to work for crap wages and get browbeaten by management for years. Have fun with that. Oh and thanks to NetJets I have a life now, the best thing I ever did was leave the regionals and now I have more time to spend with my family with all my time off and that I have HBA rights, excellent company paid for heatlh care, and now it looks like I'm going to be getting paid six figures and I've only been here for 3 years, so I'm sure that you can't relate...but good luck with that and maybe someday you'll see that there is more to this job than just flying a big airliner for a living.

As for the Gator game, as I recall, LSU was behind the whole game and if it weren't for the 2 Florida turnovers, we would have been able to hold on for that last minute of the game. You can thank us for the win, because you sure didn't do it on your own merit or prove to the rest of the country that LSU is the best program in the country.

Wow, really, try decaf.

What I want to earn, and what I value in my career and my life, can't be determined by FI. Or you.

As well, with the superior, holier than thou attitude dispalyed above, I suspect your family kinda wishes you were on the road a bit more. Why don't you come back to the regionals so that someday, if you study really hard, and if luck shines on you, you can be my gear b!tch.

Finally, Florida lost the game because they were not as good as LSU. SCOREBOARD.

 

[CFI2766]

Don't worry, President Hillary is going to make health care "free" for everyone.....

Could not agree more!!! If she gets the white house, we are all, as American citizens and as airline pilots, going to see our overall QOL decrease. She is not the person for the job.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Health care is a BENEFIT!!!!

It costs someone. All the good stuff we receive during negotiations, we had to give up something. We wanted chiropractic, acupuncture, dermatology, lypo suction, rear end implants, and some even foot massages..........

Someone has to pay for all this. That is why it costs us more.

Not to mention all the people who live in gated communities, to keep us out, who want open borders, to let everyone in. Who is going to pay for the emergency room visits because of a cold? Cost shifting.

Don't even bring up the part obout a family of 4 who makes $80,000/yr having their 25 year old children covered by the government.

This is why it costs more. Cost shifting. If you don't like it, get your own. Join the military, where it is all free, or go to Germany and live there. Hell BlackW has another 6 months in Iraq, go make a sh1tpot full of money there and get it all free.

Why would we let Hillary, and her gang of huddlum's run this when the government does absolutely nothing good. Let them run the military and stay away from our healthcare.

There are plenty of options to make life easier for you. Medical savings account, pay for your own(there's a novel idea), or change jobs.

Sitting around bitchin' because the cost has gone up for the care that is exponentially better by the decade is just downright, yea I'll say it, LAZY! Do something about it, quit complaining.

Do us all a favor, go to Europe and quit trying to socialize our country!

Dick Gozinya

 

[bluefly72]

277/month....could be worse, I believe family plan at Airtran is at least 400/month...

 

[Speedtape]

277/month....could be worse, I believe family plan at Airtran is at least 400/month...

Actually the correct figure is $227, not $277! That still results in a 24.33% increase over last year, not including some costly new deductibles in X-ray/lab tests.

 

[Gator1999]

Wow, really, try decaf.

What I want to earn, and what I value in my career and my life, can't be determined by FI. Or you.

As well, with the superior, holier than thou attitude dispalyed above, I suspect your family kinda wishes you were on the road a bit more. Why don't you come back to the regionals so that someday, if you study really hard, and if luck shines on you, you can be my gear b!tch.

Finally, Florida lost the game because they were not as good as LSU. SCOREBOARD.

You can put a bullet in my head before I ever fly with or take advice from a ASA turboprop FO tool like yourself. Come back when you have some more time son, then you can play with the big boys. Loser.

 

[CFI2766]

You can put a bullet in my head before I ever fly with or take advice from a ASA turboprop FO tool like yourself. Come back when you have some more time son, then you can play with the big boys. Loser.

Got that fact that I'm just a FO, did ya? You should probably interpolate that to mean that your value as a pilot would probably be the greatest realized as a closely supervised assistant to an FO. A turboprop FO, at that. Right back at ya!

 

[CFI2766]

You can put a bullet in my head before I ever fly with or take advice from a ASA turboprop FO tool like yourself. Come back when you have some more time son, then you can play with the big boys. Loser.

Loook, let me explain something to you. You come to this thread guns blazing calling out a guy for noticing that our health insurance is going up, you make a value judgement about your career versus my career, and then you make a wise@ss comment about my airline and the airplane I fly. What kind of response did you expect?

You are an arrogant son of a gun, aren't you?

With regards to the whole bullet in the head thing, just keep up your 'tude. I'm sure one of your FOs will oblige you.

 

[Gator1999]

Loook, let me explain something to you. You come to this thread guns blazing calling out a guy for noticing that our health insurance is going up, you make a value judgement about your career versus my career, and then you make a wise@ss comment about my airline and the airplane I fly. What kind of response did you expect?

You are an arrogant son of a gun, aren't you?

With regards to the whole bullet in the head thing, just keep up your 'tude. I'm sure one of your FOs will oblige you.

Dude, you really are wet behind the ears aren't you. Let me explain this to you then you can get back to your FO and CFI jobs.

I made the comment to JP, as a reference to a previous thread, and you know what, JP knows better than answering threads that are meant to get your goat. But you bit and I just love it when I can let loose sometimes on someone. Dude, it's flightinfo.com for christ's sake!

Truth is this, this job is more than flying a big airplane and being able to jumpseat around the country. If you haven't figured that out by now, give it time, you will. This job is all about QOL. What you get paid and the time you get to spend with your family is all that is important in the end. Unfortunately there are very miserable flight instructors out there that take a right seat job in an RJ and then all of a sudden have a sense of entitlement. Guess what...you have to earn it. You have to want this job bad enough to be able to survive. Everyone here has had to suffer through small paychecks, sitting for endless hours on reserve, commute to a job that takes you away from your family for days on end, only to come home to a wife who resents you because you are never home to pick up the slack when she's tired. So forgive me but I was trying to give you some insight as to what you can expect in this line of work. You got hired at ASA in Nov 06 so you really have only begun to be exposed to the airline lifestyle. I've been doing this since 2000 and there are people here that have been doing this much longer than I have. Still in the end, it beats working for a living and I hope that everyone can find in a job what I have been able to get here at NetJets. No I don't fly a 777, nor will I ever. But in the end, I live a very comfortable life, I fly really great equipment, with a company that really takes care of their people. I think that in the end, that's all that matters. If you can't see that, you are in for a world of pain and misery, you might as well quit now.

Nuff said. Good day.

 

[John Pennekamp]

You can put a bullet in my head before I ever fly with or take advice from a ASA turboprop FO tool like yourself. Come back when you have some more time son, then you can play with the big boys. Loser.

Listen here, "son", I've flown with CFI2766 and I'll have you know he's one of the best I've ever encountered. He's also got almost 2000 hours and got his ATP in GA. He loves to fly for all the right reasons, and has EARNED my respect. As far as I'm concerned, he's more one of the big boys than an internet troll Cessna jockey like yourself. He has the credentials to offer his opinion.

Way to flame someone you've never met. You sir, are the tool. Oh, and LOVED the LSU game.

 

[regionalcap]

Listen here, "son", I've flown with CFI2766 and I'll have you know he's one of the best I've ever encountered. He's also got almost 2000 hours and got his ATP in GA. He loves to fly for all the right reasons, and has EARNED my respect. As far as I'm concerned, he's more one of the big boys than an internet troll Cessna jockey like yourself. He has the credentials to offer his opinion.

Way to flame someone you've never met. You sir, are the tool. Oh, and LOVED the LSU game.

And the Auburn game..

 

[John Pennekamp]

John,

I'm confused at your logic. Please help. You're a self proclaimed Socialist. Okay, I get that. Now you're complaining because the cost of our HealthCare is rising. We need to take care of some of our less fortunate that are older and out of shape. (to be quite frank). If you are indeed a Socialist, shouldn't this be in YOUR best interest? I mean pay a little more to help everyone else? Just a little clarification needed. Thanx in advance.

Trojan

Glad you asked.

I'm complaining because we're being ripped off by a capitalist based, for-profit health care system, that is totally inadequate for the price we pay. The main reason health care costs are so high in this country is that costs for care of the uninsured are transferred to the insured, particularly hospital costs. But still the uninsured have a standard of health care that is far sub par to ours.

I'm an advocate of socialized medicine. Since we're all paying for the uninsured anyhow, we may as well make it formal.

A government run system would not discriminate, and would level the playing field in terms of how much we all pay. It would make it more fair and ensure everyone has a basic level of care.

And if the rich feel they want a better standard, they they will have the opportunity to pay extra for it... just as they do now.

 

[Gator1999]

Listen here, "son", I've flown with CFI2766 and I'll have you know he's one of the best I've ever encountered. He's also got almost 2000 hours and got his ATP in GA. He loves to fly for all the right reasons, and has EARNED my respect. As far as I'm concerned, he's more one of the big boys than an internet troll Cessna jockey like yourself. He has the credentials to offer his opinion.

Way to flame someone you've never met. You sir, are the tool. Oh, and LOVED the LSU game.

I guess when your airline is hiring pilots with 250 hours and a pulse then 2000 hours is more experienced, not much more but more. And who gives a flying f where he got his ATP. Like getting an ATP in Atlanta is so much harder than getting it anywhere else.

I don't flame too many people on this site but when I hear you spouting off at the mouth that NetJets isn't a place to go because we don't have pass benefits and jumpseat agreements, it annoys me that someone in your position could be so narrow minded as to think of that as a deal breaker. Forget the working conditions and QOL, if I can't jumpseat then forget it. If I'm not able to BUY a pass on my own airline then forget it. I understand you have your kids that you have to go and see in another state, but when was the last time you actually bought a ticket? If you haven't looked, your airline is practically giving them away. It's so cheap to fly now, it's no wonder you are making crap wages, your airline isn't making any money!

If you can't handle a Cessna jockey tool like myself dishing it out then maybe you should just log off, crawl back into your turboprop, and complain about your crappy TA. BTW, I LOVED the Appalachian State game...nothing pleases me more than seeing your Ann Arbor boys go down to a division IAA. Loser.

 

[USCtrojan]

Glad you asked.

I'm complaining because we're being ripped off by a capitalist based, for-profit health care system, that is totally inadequate for the price we pay. The main reason health care costs are so high in this country is that costs for care of the uninsured are transferred to the insured, particularly hospital costs. But still the uninsured have a standard of health care that is far sub par to ours.

I'm an advocate of socialized medicine. Since we're all paying for the uninsured anyhow, we may as well make it formal.

A government run system would not discriminate, and would level the playing field in terms of how much we all pay. It would make it more fair and ensure everyone has a basic level of care.

And if the rich feel they want a better standard, they they will have the opportunity to pay extra for it... just as they do now.

Thanx 4 answering. I, respectfully disagree with National Healthcare.

Trojan