ASA hiring right now?

[suupah]

Looking for info on ASA hiring at the moment. Competetive mins? Multi recency? Thanks for the info.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Looking for info on ASA hiring at the moment. Competetive mins? Multi recency? Thanks for the info.

Interviews starting back up on the 10 of July.

That's official.

I guess attrition is taking its' toll.

 

[SuperKooter]

Interviews starting back up on the 10 of July.

That's official.

I guess attrition is taking its' toll.

Go to skywest.

 

[Speedtape]

Now is not a good time to go to ASA due impasse in negotiations.

 

[CJA]

Now is not a good time to go to ASA due impasse in negotiations.

On the other hand, you might get on now, things will get settled with the contract, expansion/hiring will go wild and you will move up quickly. Big risk but that is for you to decide how much risk you can stand.

 

[suupah]

I am not interested in working for sky west. mainly because i would want to live in atlanta.

sounds like there isn't alot of hiring going on. i hear that they are only interviewing to fill the pool

 

[SuperKooter]

On the other hand, you might get on now, things will get settled with the contract, expansion/hiring will go wild and you will move up quickly. Big risk but that is for you to decide how much risk you can stand.

Doubt it, ALPA will turn this airline into TSA 2.0

 

[SuperKooter]

I am not interested in working for sky west. mainly because i would want to live in atlanta.

sounds like there isn't alot of hiring going on. i hear that they are only interviewing to fill the pool

Wow you enjoy atlanta? Then go to ASA their subpar service and professionalism is what anyone from atlanta would expect.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Doubt it, ALPA will turn this airline into TSA 2.0

If ALPA puts ASA out of business they will have done the world a favor.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

See how easy it is to get these fllame baters riled up boys.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

If ALPA puts ASA out of business they will have done the world a favor.

Lord have mercy, if it's that bad.... Leave. Nobody has a gun to your head, making you stay.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Lord have mercy, if it's that bad.... Leave. Nobody has a gun to your head, making you stay.

Apparently you are unable to comprehend the concept of tounge in cheek.

I am sorry that my humor was lost on you. I will try lower forms of humor from now on. Perhaps if I stick with puns you could keep up.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Interviews starting back up on the 10 of July.

That's official.

I guess attrition is taking its' toll.

Interviews were going on a few days ago actually.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Apparently you are unable to comprehend the concept of tounge in cheek.

I am sorry that my humor was lost on you. I will try lower forms of humor from now on. Perhaps if I stick with puns you could keep up.

Please forgive me for being stupid as you are evidentally very intelligent.

From your past posts, you appear to true to form in your desire to see ASA exist no more. I only draw conclusions from past conduct.

P.S. Get over yourself.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Please forgive me for being stupid as you are evidentally very intelligent.

From your past posts, you appear to true to form in your desire to see ASA exist no more. I only draw conclusions from past conduct.

P.S. Get over yourself.

There is a big difference between wanting to see merger in which ASA is absorbed into a far better company, and putting an entire company out of business for spite.

I want the former, not the latter.

ASA is a bad company. Always has been. It has survived in spite of itself because it was created in Delta's backyard. It suffers from poor leadership and a corporate culture that is rotten through and through. It is led by incapable managers that build little feifdoms that rarely if ever deliver on the trite little mission statements. They do not value their employees or their customers and their lack of "vision" is apparent to every one.

Our corporate parent merging the two airlines and creating a business synergy that results in a large efficient entity that is able to compete well in a tough industry would be great. It would get rid of the duplicitous management at ASA and create further efficiencies by combining the management and administrative functionality. It would further serve to dissolve the entity that has created so much animosity in its' employees. With any luck it would create a large motivated workforce that has everyone pulling on the same end of the rope.

Hopefully, you see the difference. As for a curt, TIC comment in response to a moron like superkooter, and his continued pointless and inflammatroy remarks, I apologize if you don't get the sarcasm in that context. His drivel is nothing more than ALPA bashing flamebait and I was kindly returning the favor.

Get it?

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Yep, I understand that. Kooter has made my ignore list. It's pretty short but when there is nothing worth looking at, it goes away just D'ork-a-lo has done.

Sort of frustrating to see nothing but anger here. Great source of rumor, innuendo and sometimes actual information but the negativity gets old. I know some aspects suck and maybe it can be fixed but some of it might not be fixed either. ASA getting fixed to everybody's liking will never happen though.

I have a friend with Net Jets. He told a story about how they get per diem even though the company provides meals. Good deal right? well, the pilots had been ordering steak, lobster, etc. The company says this is getting out of hand and restricted the choices of breakfast, luch and dinner to eight a piece. You can get three breakfasts or three lunches, etc. The pilot group was incensed over this. Still getting per diem mind you.

I react a little to this sort of mindset which seems to prevail among our brethern. No harm, no foul.

Got it?

 

[crash41]

Lord have mercy, if it's that bad.... Leave. Nobody has a gun to your head, making you stay.

I hate ASA management so bad I'll stay just to shut this place down, and then go get another job.

 

[~~~^~~~]

If ALPA puts ASA out of business they will have done the world a favor.

Yes, but will they have represented their membership at ASA?

I am convinced ALPA will put ASA out before admitting defeat. The bow of the Titanic is already under the water and ALPA is blaming the iceberg.

 

[Papa Woody]

ASA is ALPA's sacrificial lamb.

Once they're out, the value of their "services" and pilot wages will go up. But only after they throw ASA-fodder into the flames to prove that a strike can actually occur.

When ASA goes away, everyone is happy:

1) Delta gets rid of the red-headed stepchild that treats its customers like sh)t

2) Skywest inherits about $1.5 billion in unencumbered assets for which it paid about $400M

3) Passengers no longer have to deal with filthy planes, late-as-sh(t flights, third-world concourse "C", and rude employees who would get fired from Greyhound.

4) Other pilot groups benefit from higher wages since there will be less skum-suckin' "portfolio" outfits.

5) The current ASA pilots who will find great careers elsewhere, either within or out of aviation.

....the only ones who lose are:

BL, CT, and the others who think they are running an airline.

 

[ASADriver]

I hate ASA management so bad I'll stay just to shut this place down, and then go get another job.

Why don't you do us all a favor and go get another job now! Some of us are fairly happy here.

 

[ASADriver]

If ALPA puts ASA out of business they will have done the world a favor.

It is statements like this that are creating a growing movement against ALPA at ASA. It seems that many of you ALPA spokespeople are saying things like this and it is turning many people off. Putting ASA out of business won't do ANYONE a favor. If you don't like it, leave for gods sakes!

 

[blueridge71]

I agree with the people that say stay away from ASA.

We are about to witness the collision of an irresistable force with an immovable object. The pilots of ASA have mistreated for years. They have a healthy distrust of management based on experience. Many also have outside jobs and don't care if they lose their flying job (this is almost a direct quote from more than one person). They have no intention of giving in.

On the other hand, Jerry Atkin cannot give in to ALPA. Skywest is watching what he does for or to the ASA pilots. Skywest is conducting an ALPA drive and he wants to keep ALPA off the property. If he gives in to ASA, he will have to give in to SW and possibly gain a union on both sides of the house. He might even gain a single unified pilot group. Trust me. He doesn't want that.

What we are about to witness is a collision that could possibly result in massive destruction. I don't advocate giving in. My strike vote is in. But at the same time, I don't think that ASA has a bright future at all.

I'm guessing that new airplanes will continue to go to SW as they are able to accept them. ASA will most likely wither on the vine with a fleet of primarily 50 seaters. I'm making my plans to bail out.

The only people who should come to ASA right now are people without a class date anywhere else. Come get your SIC type rating, build some time, and go somewhere better as quick as you can.

 

[ASADriver]

I agree with the people that say stay away from ASA.

We are about to witness the collision of an irresistable force with an immovable object. The pilots of ASA have mistreated for years. They have a healthy distrust of management based on experience. Many also have outside jobs and don't care if they lose their flying job (this is almost a direct quote from more than one person). They have no intention of giving in.

On the other hand, Jerry Atkin cannot give in to ALPA. Skywest is watching what he does for or to the ASA pilots. Skywest is conducting an ALPA drive and he wants to keep ALPA off the property. If he gives in to ASA, he will have to give in to SW and possibly gain a union on both sides of the house. He might even gain a single unified pilot group. Trust me. He doesn't want that.

What we are about to witness is a collision that could possibly result in massive destruction. I don't advocate giving in. My strike vote is in. But at the same time, I don't think that ASA has a bright future at all.

I'm guessing that new airplanes will continue to go to SW as they are able to accept them. ASA will most likely wither on the vine with a fleet of primarily 50 seaters. I'm making my plans to bail out.

So is that ALPA's game plan? Burn it down? What about those of us who don't want to burn it down? What exactly does killing ASA do for us? If that is the best ALPA can do, then it is time to fire ALPA.

 

[blueridge71]

If it comes down to taking a pay cut for a profitable company so they can make a bigger profit, then I choose to walk away. Such a company doesn't deserve to exist. I hope that my analysis is wrong, but if we take a pay cut, we are no different than the bottom feeders that we all know and hate. It has to stop somewhere. Let it stop here.

Stand up for your principles. You might get lucky and have a better company for it.

I'm not even sure that taking a paycut would do any good. I think that the decisions have already been made.

 

[~~~^~~~]

If it comes down to taking a pay cut for a profitable company so they can make a bigger profit, then I choose to walk away. Such a company doesn't deserve to exist. I hope that my analysis is wrong.

I'm not even sure that taking a paycut would do any good. I think that the decisions have already been made.

The DCI agreements are going to be re-negotiated. Sure, Skywest has a "lock" on ATL through ASA, but Delta thought ahead and ASA has to match the bottom feeders to keep the deal.

Also, Jerry does not care who flies through his gates. Look at all the Freedom being parked on C if you don't believe me.

ALPA is part of the driving force behind these negotiations. ALPA has analysis of the benefits of DCI cost cuts. If ASA goes away and freedom lines up at the gates under ASA management for less money, our friends at the MEC that actually gets some representation in ATL will be pleased.

Jerry Atkin and Skywest does not benefit from DCI cost cuts. ALPA believes that Delta benefits, which helps the members that they give a rat's hiney about.

 

[ASADriver]

If it comes down to taking a pay cut for a profitable company so they can make a bigger profit, then I choose to walk away. Such a company doesn't deserve to exist. I hope that my analysis is wrong, but if we take a pay cut, we are no different than the bottom feeders that we all know and hate. It has to stop somewhere. Let it stop here.

Stand up for your principles. You might get lucky and have a better company for it.

I'm not even sure that taking a paycut would do any good. I think that the decisions have already been made.

Blueridge? Did you come here from ACA? If so, why? Obviously you knew what our pay and workrules were when you signed up. Are you ready to ride another one into the ground? Wasn't ACA profitable up until the loss of the United code-share?

Some of us have more to lose than you do. I'm a nine year 50 driver and "principle" won't pay my mortgage. I'm guessing you are what a second year FO. The current offer on the table would be a payraise, and I am fine with that. I am not fine with shutting ASA down.

 

[threegreen]

I think that as a rule the opinions presented here (i.e. burn the mother down) are very skewed. Happy people don't go on flightinfo to complain about their jobs...

 

[sweptback]

The DCI agreements are going to be re-negotiated. Sure, Skywest has a "lock" on ATL through ASA, but Delta thought ahead and ASA has to match the bottom feeders to keep the deal.

Fins, both SkyWest and ASA have 15-year DCI agreements that have been affirmed in bankruptcy court. You seem to think that the clause that allows ASA to match the lowest bidder for future flying as a negative, but I view it as a positive. Note that the clause only applies for future flying, and does not apply for current flying as covered by our DCI agreement.

Now, both CHQ and Freedom have DCI agreements that to the best of my knowledge have not been reffirmed in BK court. The only reason that they're flying through ATL and CVG is because their little niche in Florida has been substantially reduced. I am not saying that ASA is in a good position at all, but things may get ugly with CHQ and Freedom as they have to renegotiate their feed agreements in BK court, especially since Delta has already said they have too many (50-seat) RJs in the system.

 

[Speedtape]

Alpa at ASA, are the pilots at ASA--no one else!

 

[shamrock]

Blueridge? Did you come here from ACA? If so, why? Obviously you knew what our pay and workrules were when you signed up.

Yes, I'm sure he knew about out pay and non-existant work rules when he signed up and I'm pretty sure that at that time there wasn't any mention of having to take a pay cut to make an already profitable company more profitable. He came in with expectations and doesn't feel the need to give anything back. People love to throw out the "you knew about this when you signed up" comment when it comes to wanting pay raises or QOL improvements but if that's the case then it sure as hell should apply when it comes to pay cuts as well.

I'm a nine year 50 driver and "principle" won't pay my mortgage. I'm guessing you are what a second year FO.

How long he's been here doesn't matter. Neither does who has more to lose. He has his opinion, you have yours.