ASA hiring right now?

[Pogue Mahone]

It is statements like this that are creating a growing movement against ALPA at ASA. It seems that many of you ALPA spokespeople are saying things like this and it is turning many people off. Putting ASA out of business won't do ANYONE a favor. If you don't like it, leave for gods sakes!

I know you have read my previous posts regarding this post. Don't take it out of context spinmeister.

 

[suupah]

SO, ASA is Hiring or not hiring?

 

[Turkey Shoot]

They are interviewing for the pool only.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Sweptback - good points.

 

[atrdriver]

The current offer on the table would be a payraise, and I am fine with that. I am not fine with shutting ASA down.

Excuse me, but losing premium and having 50% Dh pay would be a raise for you? If so you are in the minority. I am also a 9 year 50 seat driver, and I would lose about 15% of my pay with a loss of premium. Sorry, not willing to do this job for less money. I have given this company 110% of my efforts for the time I've been here, and I believe that management should recognize that.

And a strike won't pay my bills either, but then again, I won't be about to pay them after a 15% paycut either. A strike is the last thing that I want to happen here, but if that's what it takes to make our voices heard and wake up this incompetent management "team" then that is THEIR choice.

 

[blueridge71]

Blueridge? Did you come here from ACA? If so, why? Obviously you knew what our pay and workrules were when you signed up. Are you ready to ride another one into the ground? Wasn't ACA profitable up until the loss of the United code-share?

Some of us have more to lose than you do. I'm a nine year 50 driver and "principle" won't pay my mortgage. I'm guessing you are what a second year FO. The current offer on the table would be a payraise, and I am fine with that. I am not fine with shutting ASA down.

Yes and Yes. Although I didn't have a full appreciation of the badness of the situation here. Several friends had told me that ASA was a good place to work and it had a reputation as a good company as far as I could tell. I did know that negotiations were ongoing, but did not grasp how bad the relationship between ALPA and management really was.

What I'm trying to point out is that if we accept a pay and work rule cut, we perpetuate another round of the race to the bottom. Do you think that will be the end? Other regionals, including Skywest, will be asking their pilots for pay cuts to compete with us. After they take pay cuts, the ball will be back in our court. How low do you want to go? What is your magic number as to the lowest amount that you are willing to fly for?

The biggest problem with ALPA (and there are a lot) is that there is no solidarity in the industry. THere is not even solidarity within the company evidently, since you seem perfectly willing to let the 700 pilots take a pay cut for you. Remember that the 50 is dying. Future growth will be 70+ seats. You will take a pay cut and you don't even realize it. And that is not even considering the soft pay cuts like DH and premium.

My personal line in the sand is the first year pay. I worked 11 months last year for less than $15000. The new contract is essentially the same. That is total BS. I'm going to do my best to take care of the future new hires and get them some decent pay.

If you are a 9 year RJ captain, your prospects are not as bleak as you think. There are a lot of places that you could go with your experience that would treat you much better than ASA. You wouldn't even have to leave ATL.

 

[Crizz]

Fwiw

I rode ASA to and from SLC for my Skywest interview and thought the crews and planes were top notch.

FWIW

 

[BuzzSaw]

Go somplace else!!

ASA sucks... I should know, I work here....

Anyways, the airplanes may be at Skywest or parked in the desert....

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Why don't you do us all a favor and go get another job now! Some of us are fairly happy here.

Can you define "fairly" for us?

"Fairly" as in you would like to stay and make a career here, and in the process make it a better place to work for all involved?

Or "fairly" as in I'll go get a 737 type rating and hope SWA calls me, and in the mean time I hope ASA stays open long enough for me to make ends meet while I try to jump ship, even if that means the instructors, 70-seat guys and all F/Os (ie not any of the groups you belong to) take one for the team?

Some of us have more to lose than you do. I'm a nine year 50 driver and "principle" won't pay my mortgage. I'm guessing you are what a second year FO. The current offer on the table would be a payraise, and I am fine with that. I am not fine with shutting ASA down.

I'm a First Officer, with a wife, family and a mortgage, so you don't have more to lose than me. Get off your high horse will you? I am being asked to take a paycut. I am not "fine" with that, and I am "fine" with shutting ASA down if it comes to that.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I rode ASA to and from SLC for my Skywest interview and thought the crews and planes were top notch.

FWIW

Thanks Crizz!!! Just don't let Charlie Tutt hear you say that, he thinks the pilot group doesn't keep this airline going at times.

Take a look at this thread for proof. http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=82067

 

[atlcrjdriver]

I am being asked to take a paycut. I am not "fine" with that, and I am "fine" with shutting ASA down if it comes to that.

Question, for all those that say shut this place down if we don't get what we want. Exactly what good would it do for this industry if ASA closes the doors? When ACA closed down did this industry even blink. They got a page in the ALPA rag and maybe a spot on the local news. Exactly what changed as a result besides someone else doing the feed.

Until the true bottom feeders like Mesa step up to the plate, JO will keep the race to the bottom alive and well. If we don't maintain an industry standard wage contract w/ QOL improvements trip/duty rigs and scope, we will simply become a sacrificial lamb of the industry and on our tombstone will read
"They Fought The Good Fight"

Fly Safe...

 

[79%N1]

Driver, Its not for 'what we want', but what is fair and what is right. It is not right to accept a paycut when the company is profitable, mismanaged, inefficient and just wanting to pad their profits or meet some phantom target agreement. I will NOT accept a paycut under those circumstances! Sorry.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Driver, It is not right to accept a paycut when the company is profitable

I agree 100%, we shouldn't take a hit when they are posting a profit. Can you guarantee that we will be able to maintain that profit margin if ALPA gets even close to what it has proposed? ALPA is banking on MESA and CHQ to take a hugh leap in pay and benefits when their contracts become amendable next year and I hope they will. Can they guarantee that?

Prediction:
Pay freeze on the CR7 Cpt pay
Single rate CR2/7 FO pay to match SKW w/o dual qual
Profit sharing
IP pay cut as proposed by CO
Trip/duty rigs as proposed by ALPA
Improvements in scope

I really hope that Mesa MEC/CNC will bring the wages higher, but until that happens we must play the game as best we can to survive.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I'm not looking for the contract of the century, only what I deem fair. While ASA is making a profit, I am not going to give back on what I believe is already a piss poor salary.

If management is looking at ways to save this company money, they need to start by fixing the mess that is the ATL ramp.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

...only what I deem fair

OK, What would you deem as "fair"? SKW + 1%? Industry + 1%?
What kind of numbers are you talking about?

 

[79%N1]

I agree 100%, we shouldn't take a hit when they are posting a profit. Can you guarantee that we will be able to maintain that profit margin if ALPA gets even close to what it has proposed? ALPA is banking on MESA and CHQ to take a hugh leap in pay and benefits when their contracts become amendable next year and I hope they will. Can they guarantee that?

Prediction:
Pay freeze on the CR7 Cpt pay
Single rate CR2/7 FO pay to match SKW w/o dual qual
Profit sharing
IP pay cut as proposed by CO
Trip/duty rigs as proposed by ALPA
Improvements in scope

Ok, great. I could maybe accept that. If my pay is frozen and I can make it up with profit bonus, and rigs, plus enhanced scheduling and QOL, I could maybe live with that.....and it sounds like a reasonable compromise. However......your fearless mismanagement IS NOT BUDGING FROM THEIR UNREASONABLE STANCE OF CONCESSIONS!!!!! UNtil that happens, we will never move forward! ALPA has already moved off of their last proposal, right before the mediator recessed us. We cannot make the next move.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

OK, What would you deem as "fair"? SKW + 1%? Industry + 1%?
What kind of numbers are you talking about?

Hmmm, definately not ASA - 10%.