ASA FO Vacancy Bid

[screamingpax]

Did anyone else notice they are ALLOWING 700 FO's to BID BACK to the 200? I thought they were just displacing captains. Did I miss something here?

 

[twott driver]

more importantly they are allowing senior capt's to bid back to FO!

 

[screamingpax]

more importantly they are allowing senior capt's to bid back to FO!

I already knew captains were being displaced, but why are FOs being allowed to bid back. This isn't a normal vacancy bid I thought, but only one to allow whatever captain wanted to bid back to do so. How is FOs transfering going to solve the Capt displacement problem?

 

[gator_hater]

Probably won't, but that would be the letter of the contract. Theoretically the capts will be senior to the FO's and they will only need to let the number of capts go they want. On a side note all that locker room chatter does not seem to be coming true just guys ranting. When they have the chance to put their $$ where their mouths are they aren't stepping up.

 

[screamingpax]

Probably won't, but that would be the letter of the contract. Theoretically the capts will be senior to the FO's and they will only need to let the number of capts go they want. On a side note all that locker room chatter does not seem to be coming true just guys ranting. When they have the chance to put their $$ where their mouths are they aren't stepping up.

And if not enough captains step up to take to bid and fill it, then what? Do they take the difference and displace that many captains or actually allow those FOs to bid over?

 

[zawillif]

What I can't stand is the fact that everyone gets to bypass their seat locks for the past two awards. Yet the guys that went over to the 700 when the 900s came over a few months ago are still seat locked. Why let some people avoid seat lock while others are still locked in??

 

[sweptback]

How can you have a vacancy bid and only allow captains to bid on it?

 

[sweptback]

What I can't stand is the fact that everyone gets to bypass their seat locks for the past two awards. Yet the guys that went over to the 700 when the 900s came over a few months ago are still seat locked. Why let some people avoid seat lock while others are still locked in??

Because the company has the contractual right to utilize seat locks only when it is convenient for them.

 

[screamingpax]

How can you have a vacancy bid and only allow captains to bid on it?

Point taken, however, how does FOs bidding in the vacancy solve the displacement problem??

 

[sweptback]

Point taken, however, how does FOs bidding in the vacancy solve the displacement problem??

Well, it doesn't. But it's what people wanted, right?

 

[701EV]

Funny I don't see any senior Captain's bidding back to the right seat.

Also I never heard any senior Captain's state, they wanted to go to the right seat.

Lets see $88.00/hr or $45.00/hr, I don't think so.

701EV

 

[buscap]

There were some guys who smack-talked about it and there were plenty of to-be-displaced Captains who hoped they would. The vocal minority went to the company and the union and worked this deal out.

At least that's my take on it.

I still predict no takers, but at least the option is available.

 

[boctal]

Point taken, however, how does FOs bidding in the vacancy solve the displacement problem??

Did anyone else notice they are ALLOWING 700 FO's to BID BACK to the 200? I thought they were just displacing captains. Did I miss something here?

I think the main reason is that the most junior 20 or so -700 FO's were originally going to be displaced to the -200, thus if enough people wanted to go back to the -200 it would prevent the "involuntary" part.

 

[Flybywire44]

Did anyone else notice they are ALLOWING 700 FO's to BID BACK to the 200? I thought they were just displacing captains. Did I miss something here?

Yes you did, get on the ASA ALPA email list.

 

[WWEfan]

What I can't stand is the fact that everyone gets to bypass their seat locks for the past two awards. Yet the guys that went over to the 700 when the 900s came over a few months ago are still seat locked. Why let some people avoid seat lock while others are still locked in??

Check out the following excerpt from your contract.

If the Company waives a category freeze for one pilot bidding on aposition notice, it will also do so for all other pilots senior to that pilotbidding on that position notice who have sufficient seniority to hold theposition(s).


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[twott driver]

mute point if no senior capt's bid down. May be a few seatlocked pilots cheer-leading for the voluntary downgrades now too!

 

[No Delay]

I don't think anyone thought all senior captains have been itching to get back to f/o or that anyone wants to take a pay cut. But some captains (especially those who have been on reserve for years or commuters, etc) may consider the option. Being on reserve wears you down.

Doesn't it make sense to allow voluntary displacements before displacing someone who wants to stay? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

The way I see it...it doesn't hurt anything and may very well save someone.


Also, I believe the reason the company only listed the bid for 1 crj position and 1 cr7 position is to maintain control over f/o's moving around.

 

[Crash Pad]

I think I said in an earlier thread that pilots in general are full of poop. "Reserve sucks I would be happy with a down grade". "I wouldn't fly past 60 even if they changed the rule." "I have a side business that is making tons of money I would happily volunteer for furlough or year long COMA". "I avoid open time because we have people on furlough".

The list goes on and on.

 

[buscap]

Like I said, I put money on no takers.

 

[twott driver]

judging by the number of long term coma's awarded, I'd have to say I think you may be right.