Welcome to Flightinfo.com
- Register now and join the discussion
- Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
- Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
- Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
- Share the passion for aviation
- Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun
ASA Electronic Strike Ballot is Here!!!
- Thread starter WWEfan
- Start date
- Watchers 99
Welcome to Flightinfo.com
- Register now and join the discussion
- Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
- Invite your friends
- Share the passion of aviation
- Friendliest aviation community on the web
boknowsASA
Well-known member
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2004
- Posts
- 280
Rusty Nail
Active member
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2006
- Posts
- 32
av8tor4239
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 6, 2004
- Posts
- 768
Make sure you spread the word in the lounges and everywhere at work for people to vote.... No matter how they vote, it is imparative that they cast their vote!!!!!!!
Tell everyone how to access the vote...
1. THE BALLOTS ARE HERE! THE BALLOTS ARE HERE!
The polls are open and ready for you to cast your vote on the strike ballot.
Attached is a copy of the cover letter and balloting instructions which will
arrive via snail mail over the next several days. Cut and paste the link you
see here to cast your vote today!
https://www.ballotpoint.com/alpa
You can also vote by phone. Dial 1-888-647-1787 to cast your vote over the
telephone.
Balloting will close July 10, 2006 at 10:00 a.m. EDT.
If you read through the balloting information and still aren't sure how to
vote, or if you have questions about the voting process, look for our MEC
and Contract Negotiating Committee representatives in the crew lounges over
the next two weeks. They'll be happy to answer your questions.
Also call our MEC offices at 404-209-8566
Tell everyone how to access the vote...
1. THE BALLOTS ARE HERE! THE BALLOTS ARE HERE!
The polls are open and ready for you to cast your vote on the strike ballot.
Attached is a copy of the cover letter and balloting instructions which will
arrive via snail mail over the next several days. Cut and paste the link you
see here to cast your vote today!
https://www.ballotpoint.com/alpa
You can also vote by phone. Dial 1-888-647-1787 to cast your vote over the
telephone.
Balloting will close July 10, 2006 at 10:00 a.m. EDT.
If you read through the balloting information and still aren't sure how to
vote, or if you have questions about the voting process, look for our MEC
and Contract Negotiating Committee representatives in the crew lounges over
the next two weeks. They'll be happy to answer your questions.
Also call our MEC offices at 404-209-8566
Last edited:
Berry McCockner
a.k.a. Dick Fitzwell
- Joined
- Dec 24, 2005
- Posts
- 75
MarineGrunt
Will kill for peace.
- Joined
- Sep 18, 2002
- Posts
- 1,854
Interesting post from the ASA ALPA board. Something to think about.
There was a gentleman that stopped by the CT, BL, TH, GG, SH meeting. (Boy
they are pushing this 70 seat cut pretty hard) He is a senior Captain who
will retire in two years.
He expressed his opinion to the group that we shouldn't strike because
Skywest will transfer all the flying and let us walk....
As he left, he mumbled about losing $250K because of a National agenda.
Ok, everyone IS entitled to their own opinion and their own vote.
Some things to think about:
Skywest may want to let us walk, but Delta will be breathing down their neck
every hour we walk.
There are things that would greatly help me personally, if I wanted to be
selfish about this contract, but this is not my contract it is our
contract. Everyone has their big issues, but I think this guy was being
quite selfish. He only has two years left. I have 20+ if I stay here. I
will be living with whatever contract we sign for at least 8 years if not
longer.
This company push "because we knew you guys had a lot of questions" is all
about the 70 seat costs/cuts, the instructor pay, and the Delta "Box".
Let's not be shortsighted here. The reason they are pushing this 70 seat
cut so hard, even enticing with a small increase in 50 seat captain's rates,
is the 70+ seat is where the growth is. BL even said it. The possible 50
growth (or large Turbo-P's) is only from the COEX bid. The rest will come
in 70+ seaters. They are hoping we will buy into the bait and switch. 50
seat pay raise and in a few years we will be a mostly 70+ seat fleet. He
even said "we're only asking for a cut from 25% of the pilots", BS.
Bryan kept saying we bid based on aircraft Type, not total costs. I call
BS. Companies do not care what your costs are as a contractor, the care
what you charge them. The low CREW COST 50 seat and ATR's (remember we don't pay for fuel right now) are what allow us to be competitive on 70 seat bids. That will not be the case in the future. The 70 seat costs will be
the largest part and this is exactly why they are focusing in on it.
Rightfully so, but it is your future as well. Don't be shortsighted, the
company is not being shortsighted.
The 90 seat airframes that were coming here but now go to Skywest are being
used as a stick in the stick and carrot approach the company is using.
There is another, bigger reason:
E. New Aircraft-type
1. Should the Company place in revenue service aircraft other than the
aircraft
for which rates of pay are specified in this Agreement, the Association and
the Company will meet pursuant to Title I, Section 6, of the Railway Labor
Act, ninety (90) days, if possible, but no later than sixty (60) days before
the
aircraft is scheduled to be placed in revenue service for the purpose of
negotiating rates of pay for such aircraft.
2. If no agreement has been reached by the thirtieth (30th) day prior to the
date
the aircraft is scheduled to be placed in revenue service, the parties will
submit the issue to an arbitrator for final and binding arbitration.
If the 90 seat hits our line, we get a new rate, either negotiated or
arbitrated. The company wants the 70 seat rate down and to include up to 79
seats in the next contract. So, since we didn't get a contract quick
enough, they put them on Skywest property in a holding pattern. Skywest
doesn't get a new rate, and Skywest Inc. can take these airplanes away from
Skywest in a heartbeat. They WILL BE BACK. It costs too much to have a
dual domicile, ie SLC.
Finally, we will be merged. I am not talking through ALPA, or the NMB. I
suspect Jerry has real plans to merge these two airlines into a powerhouse
regional. The economies of scale dictate it (although I am not a MBA or
economist). I asked BL about why not a merge to keep costs down versus pay cuts. His explanation was lengthy. It focused on how the only benefit is
the senior level pay...no real benefit in costs because its averaged out
across the fleet...Salesman's snow job.
But look what is going on around you. Benefit changes, IT changes, a Best
Practice Team: It is happening now. Just pending keeping our costs on the
70+ down so when we do merge, they are as low as possible in the merged
group. They would of course prefer to keep the union off their property by
making a union look bad with pay cuts. He might even give Skywest pilots
their 70 seat rate just to influence the vote.
Before you make your decision, please listen to our Skywest Inc. CEO at this
conference and pay attention to his words on cost, growth, merger, and the
purchase of ASA. Very informative.
http://www.veracast.com/webcasts/ml/transportation06/58211105.cfm
There was a gentleman that stopped by the CT, BL, TH, GG, SH meeting. (Boy
they are pushing this 70 seat cut pretty hard) He is a senior Captain who
will retire in two years.
He expressed his opinion to the group that we shouldn't strike because
Skywest will transfer all the flying and let us walk....
As he left, he mumbled about losing $250K because of a National agenda.
Ok, everyone IS entitled to their own opinion and their own vote.
Some things to think about:
Skywest may want to let us walk, but Delta will be breathing down their neck
every hour we walk.
There are things that would greatly help me personally, if I wanted to be
selfish about this contract, but this is not my contract it is our
contract. Everyone has their big issues, but I think this guy was being
quite selfish. He only has two years left. I have 20+ if I stay here. I
will be living with whatever contract we sign for at least 8 years if not
longer.
This company push "because we knew you guys had a lot of questions" is all
about the 70 seat costs/cuts, the instructor pay, and the Delta "Box".
Let's not be shortsighted here. The reason they are pushing this 70 seat
cut so hard, even enticing with a small increase in 50 seat captain's rates,
is the 70+ seat is where the growth is. BL even said it. The possible 50
growth (or large Turbo-P's) is only from the COEX bid. The rest will come
in 70+ seaters. They are hoping we will buy into the bait and switch. 50
seat pay raise and in a few years we will be a mostly 70+ seat fleet. He
even said "we're only asking for a cut from 25% of the pilots", BS.
Bryan kept saying we bid based on aircraft Type, not total costs. I call
BS. Companies do not care what your costs are as a contractor, the care
what you charge them. The low CREW COST 50 seat and ATR's (remember we don't pay for fuel right now) are what allow us to be competitive on 70 seat bids. That will not be the case in the future. The 70 seat costs will be
the largest part and this is exactly why they are focusing in on it.
Rightfully so, but it is your future as well. Don't be shortsighted, the
company is not being shortsighted.
The 90 seat airframes that were coming here but now go to Skywest are being
used as a stick in the stick and carrot approach the company is using.
There is another, bigger reason:
E. New Aircraft-type
1. Should the Company place in revenue service aircraft other than the
aircraft
for which rates of pay are specified in this Agreement, the Association and
the Company will meet pursuant to Title I, Section 6, of the Railway Labor
Act, ninety (90) days, if possible, but no later than sixty (60) days before
the
aircraft is scheduled to be placed in revenue service for the purpose of
negotiating rates of pay for such aircraft.
2. If no agreement has been reached by the thirtieth (30th) day prior to the
date
the aircraft is scheduled to be placed in revenue service, the parties will
submit the issue to an arbitrator for final and binding arbitration.
If the 90 seat hits our line, we get a new rate, either negotiated or
arbitrated. The company wants the 70 seat rate down and to include up to 79
seats in the next contract. So, since we didn't get a contract quick
enough, they put them on Skywest property in a holding pattern. Skywest
doesn't get a new rate, and Skywest Inc. can take these airplanes away from
Skywest in a heartbeat. They WILL BE BACK. It costs too much to have a
dual domicile, ie SLC.
Finally, we will be merged. I am not talking through ALPA, or the NMB. I
suspect Jerry has real plans to merge these two airlines into a powerhouse
regional. The economies of scale dictate it (although I am not a MBA or
economist). I asked BL about why not a merge to keep costs down versus pay cuts. His explanation was lengthy. It focused on how the only benefit is
the senior level pay...no real benefit in costs because its averaged out
across the fleet...Salesman's snow job.
But look what is going on around you. Benefit changes, IT changes, a Best
Practice Team: It is happening now. Just pending keeping our costs on the
70+ down so when we do merge, they are as low as possible in the merged
group. They would of course prefer to keep the union off their property by
making a union look bad with pay cuts. He might even give Skywest pilots
their 70 seat rate just to influence the vote.
Before you make your decision, please listen to our Skywest Inc. CEO at this
conference and pay attention to his words on cost, growth, merger, and the
purchase of ASA. Very informative.
http://www.veracast.com/webcasts/ml/transportation06/58211105.cfm
"GO AROUND"
Again?!?!?
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2005
- Posts
- 949
Share this page
Latest resources
-
-
-
-
-
AC 90-89C - Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing HandbookAmateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing Handbook
- Neal
- Updated:
