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FD, I believe that when Big D bought ASA, we requested a single list! You guys laughed at us...and then Sept 11th. All of a sudden, the Delta pilot group "re-approached" ASA about making onelist so that WE would EAT all of the furloughes! Yeah.....REAL FAIR!!! As I look at it, both our companies (ASA/Skywest) are MAKING MONEY! Don't quite see how THAT is the same as us wanting one list with skywst to keep from the "eternal" WHIPSAW!
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FDJ2 - First, your MEC killed single list at the 2000 BOD meeting. The RJDC did include a single list demand. But there were many reasons for its removal.
It was expected management would vigorously fight the RJDC because the RJDC's ideas would have made Delta scope and the pilots much more powerful. It was also expected that Delta, the Corporate Parent, would be added to the litigation, which would be necessary to obtain one list.
Then Contract 2000 came apart. Almost immediately the Delta MEC, ALPA and Delta were back at the table. Since "everyone" were already negotiating there was no real reason to drag Delta to the table. ALPA had the opportunity to do the right thing and was engaged in negotiations with Delta, Comair and ASA management concurrently.
One list proposals were being floated without having to add Delta to the lawsuit and without having to fight that battle. We, for a very short period of time, thought ALPA would use the opportunity of tripartied negotiations to fix problems. Instead the Delta MEC made it clear it would negotiate with Delta and cram the result down the Comair and ASA MEC's throats after the fact. One result of this was the allegation that the Comair MEC Chairman refused to assist furloughed Delta pilots.
Of course, the ASA and Comair MEC's could not represent their pilots if they were not even allowed into the meetings and the Delta MEC had some pretty wild, unworkable, ideas.
Then (it is my opinion) the early retirements began resulting in rapid seniority increases for the Delta pilots and the pressure was off the MEC to provide a real solution to Delta's pilot job protection problem. Also the number of DCI carriers increased rapidly, making the one list idea simply another missed opportunity.
Amazing to look back and see it now, but those were the "good ol days." We forecast exactly where we are now, but you and General thought I was a crazed alarmist then. I also hoped that I was wrong.
It was expected management would vigorously fight the RJDC because the RJDC's ideas would have made Delta scope and the pilots much more powerful. It was also expected that Delta, the Corporate Parent, would be added to the litigation, which would be necessary to obtain one list.
Then Contract 2000 came apart. Almost immediately the Delta MEC, ALPA and Delta were back at the table. Since "everyone" were already negotiating there was no real reason to drag Delta to the table. ALPA had the opportunity to do the right thing and was engaged in negotiations with Delta, Comair and ASA management concurrently.
One list proposals were being floated without having to add Delta to the lawsuit and without having to fight that battle. We, for a very short period of time, thought ALPA would use the opportunity of tripartied negotiations to fix problems. Instead the Delta MEC made it clear it would negotiate with Delta and cram the result down the Comair and ASA MEC's throats after the fact. One result of this was the allegation that the Comair MEC Chairman refused to assist furloughed Delta pilots.
Of course, the ASA and Comair MEC's could not represent their pilots if they were not even allowed into the meetings and the Delta MEC had some pretty wild, unworkable, ideas.
Then (it is my opinion) the early retirements began resulting in rapid seniority increases for the Delta pilots and the pressure was off the MEC to provide a real solution to Delta's pilot job protection problem. Also the number of DCI carriers increased rapidly, making the one list idea simply another missed opportunity.
Amazing to look back and see it now, but those were the "good ol days." We forecast exactly where we are now, but you and General thought I was a crazed alarmist then. I also hoped that I was wrong.
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