ASA decertification/recall/single list

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ALPA did a single list with Mesa and Freedumb....Feedumb was not union??? It is leagally possible!!!!

A single list was negotiated as part of Section 6 negotiations. That having been said, ASA might not be able to copy this path with SkyWest now. Considerations are:
(1) Freedom was a new creation of management and was very small, if even in operation when a single list was negotiated. It was brute force negotiations. In ASA's case, we are a smaller group negotiating to force a merger with a larger group with a hostile management team at SkyWest. SkyWest seems resolute to beat an ALPA organizing drive and would likely be even more adverse to a Single List with ALPA as the pre-agreed bargaining agent.
(2) The SkyWest pilots have yet to vote for a union. ALPA may not (I'm leaning towards probably) have the legal ability to "represent" the SkyWest pilots without their vote.
(3) This issue is above the pay grade of the ASA MEC. ALPA National has to take action to push one list, under the National Mediation Board's rules.

So we are stuck with these facts that harm our case for OneList:

• SkyWest guys have not voted for representation
• SAPA is not "representation"
• SkyWest Management is on a jihad and does not want ALPA. The chances of negotiating voluntary recognition are slim to none.

So after a year & a half, I have come to agree with the position taken by our ASA MEC and CNC. The SkyWest drive has to be successful first.

A wise man once told me that "No one can organize a union like management can." SkyWest Management continues to take action that damages the excellent reputation they used to enjoy. In fact, they are starting to appear worse than Frank Lorenzo, who earned himself the distinction of being the most hated man in the industry. At least Frank was responding to a tough situation when his airlines were in dire straights. Jerry Atkin just wants more profits than he already has - simple greed. The more Mr. Atkin fails to commit to his employees, the more he destroys ASA, the more he appears to be a lying, greedy, manipulator (regardless of the truth) the more likely it is ALPA will be on the SkyWest property.

I want a Single List. The best way to get there now is to keep the pressure on ALPA National, through our elected Representatives. The political process is all we have to effect change since this would have to happen at the NMB level anyway.

 

[ASARJMan]

And what if the NMB says more dates, and this just keeps dragging on. I and others are getting tired of this and we know that the current offer is better than what we have now. Even you doubt we are unified, maybe it is time to just settle?

Sorry to repeat myself, but it will drag on unless we get released, or the pilots come together as in '98 (not likely). We're all tired of it too.

Settle? I don't believe we're asking for that much more that management couldn't settle to our demands. It's not industry-leading, but it's near the top of other regionals, where we should be. I say hold on until we hear from the NMB, and then decide where we'll go from there. It's only another week or two, and after 4+ years, I think we can afford to wait a few more weeks.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well Tarzan.... you talk of the problems, unsure of the answers.. (as am I) and talk about more guys needing to get involved....

We are in complete and total agreement as I understand it...

 

[John Pennekamp]

Sorry to repeat myself, but it will drag on unless we get released, or the pilots come together as in '98 (not likely). We're all tired of it too.

Settle? I don't believe we're asking for that much more that management couldn't settle to our demands. It's not industry-leading, but it's near the top of other regionals, where we should be. I say hold on until we hear from the NMB, and then decide where we'll go from there. It's only another week or two, and after 4+ years, I think we can afford to wait a few more weeks.

Well, we didn't get released... again. So now what's your game plan? (this ought to be good). Oh, btw, I think you owe me $100.

 

[ASARJMan]

Well, we didn't get released... again. So now what's your game plan? (this ought to be good). Oh, btw, I think you owe me $100.

I am extremely disappointed in this announcement as anyone. I'm beginning to wonder (not really) if the NMB is stalling this now. Two dates every month or so is not enough. At least go for 4-5 days. The NMB could cut it short if no progress is being made.

Regardless of my disappoint, I still fully back the MEC/CNC. There's not much more they can do without the ASA pilots supporting them. We haven't had that, and I don't expect it to change, unfortunately.

We are reasonable in what we want and are asking for. I want COLA, 200 rates at or near the top with COLA, at least COLA for the 700, per diem, rigs with teeth, retro, and scope. Oh yeah, throw the ATR some COLA too!

JP & JB seems to enjoy bashing the union with this announcement, along with mgt I'm sure. Whatever boys, enjoy yourselves.

 

[ASARJMan]

Oh, btw, I think you owe me $100.

And how do you figure that? Show me where I made a dumb bet like that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

And how do you figure that? Show me where I made a dumb bet like that.

You're right. You didn't take my bet. You couldn't because it was right before you got banned. And the fact that you just admitted you knew all along we wouldn't get released (since it's a "dumb bet") and you were/are just spewing propaganda.

 

[ASARJMan]

And the fact that you just admitted you knew all along we wouldn't get released (since it's a "dumb bet") and you were/are just spewing propaganda.

Whatever XX. Yeah, like I would have insight into how the NMB will decide. Propaganda? I think that's you XX, and XX's speciality isn't it?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Whatever WF. Yeah, like I would have insight into how the NMB will decide. Propaganda? I think that's you WF, and JB's speciality isn't it?

See, all they have is to try to "out" anyone who questions their reps and attempt to publicly humiliate them. All dissenters will be punished. The current union administration is a total dictatorship, as evidenced by ASARJMan (and we all know who HE really is).

 

[ASARJMan]

See, all they have is to try to "out" anyone who questions their reps and attempt to publicly humiliate them. All dissenters will be punished. The current union administration is a total dictatorship, as evidenced by ASARJMan (and we all know who HE really is).

Quit being so parniod XX. Punished? C'mon dude. Dictatorship? Do you really believe and feel that way? Or, is it because they fight for what the MAJORITY wants, not what XX wants?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Quit being so parniod WF. Punished? C'mon dude. Dictatorship? Do you really believe and feel that way? Or, is it because they fight for what the MAJORITY wants, not what WF wants?

I'll answer your question only if you answer this: WHY do you try to "out" anyone who dissents and what do you hope to achieve by it? And how has that worked out for you?

 

[ASARJMan]

I'll answer your question only if you answer this: WHY do you try to "out" anyone who dissents and what do you hope to achieve by it? And how has that worked out for you?

Worked out for me? You mean because I was banned for a few days? Do you really think I lost any sleep over that? Hardly. Even if it were permanent I could care less.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Worked out for me? You mean because I was banned for a few days? Do you really think I lost any sleep over that? Hardly. Even if it were permanent I could care less.

Well, I was actually referring to how has that worked in silencing me, but since you bring it up...

First of all, the line is "I couldn't care less". If you could care less, then you should go ahead and do it. Second of all, if you actually couldn't care less about being permanently banned, then why don't you just go away on your own?

You're acting like a child.

 

[ASARJMan]

Man you are acting desperate this morning. Go eat your wheaties willya! Don't be so paranoid.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Man you are acting desperate this morning. Go eat your wheaties willya! Don't be so paranoid.

I guess we just can't have an intelligent debate. I feel like I'm having a discussion with a 5 year old.

If/when you can answer my questions, we'll continue.

See you later Jetdi Captain.

 

[ASARJMan]

Wow, good response! You're still here though.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Wow, good response! You're still here though.

And so are you. Will you answer the questions or not?

 

[ASARJMan]

Why do you want me to go away? Don't like someone challenging your posts here? Do you expect everyone to agree with your line of thinking, and how this contract should be settled? Nah, I'll stay around a little longer, just for you.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Why do you want me to go away? Don't like someone challenging your posts here? Do you expect everyone to agree with your line of thinking, and how this contract should be settled? Nah, I'll stay around a little longer, just for you.

You haven't challenged me yet. I'm begging you to. Instead of answering any of my questions, you come back with insults, innuendo, and attempts at public embarassment. I don't WANT you to go away, I want you to sit down and answer the damn questions instead of tap dancing around them!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

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