ASA CRJ Crew Bag Issue, MUST READ!

[av8er2]

Our crew bags are a must when we work. We often have medicine, grooming kit, clean clothes, personal items that are needed to perform our jobs. They can not expect use to work without our crew bags.

Plus the SP's say we must come to work properly groomed and clean, I don't think wearning 2 day old work clothes is properly groomed. So if you come to work you will be breaking that SP.

ASA appears to mishandle 1% of the pax bags. For some easy math lets say there are 450 normal lines with relief and not including naps. Each line has an average of 65 legs in a month. So lets multiply 65x3 crew members and that totals 195 crew legs in one month per line.

This means for the average crew the ramp has 195 times to mishandle their bags in a month since there are 3 bags in the cargo compartment if every crew follows the new rules.

Now lets multiply 195 times 450 lines and that total 87,750.

1% of 87,750 legs is 877.5 mishandled crew bags!!!

I know this doesn't factor in all the different ways a pax. bag is mishandled but this is all the information I have. If you have any better please add it. Even if it is 100 crew bags a month, that is 100 too many.

When we work our crew bags should be with us at all times, right. So if your bag is sent to baggage claim wait until it is returned. If it is lost, go home!! They can't expect you to work without your crew bag, this is just not proper working conditions. This is like them telling you to come do a 4 day and don't bring your bag.

If all crew memebers follow this what do you think this will do to ontime performance!! Thats right up to 1% of the legs could be late.

The reason this has not been a problem is because we put our bags in the overheads and we could keep track of them.

So follow the rules but if you don't have your bag don't work!!

 

[RUhiring?]

So ASA makes you put your crew bags in the cargo compartment? That bites.

 

[Phony Marconi]

The solution is easy.....I don't understand what all the fuss is about:

1) Follow the rules: Crew bags go in cargo.

2) If a bag is mishandled, the crewmember is ON DUTY during the entire time he/she is attempting to locate the bag. No rest until I have my bag. Bag shows up at the hotel at 3am.....my required rest begins. No 8am duty-in!

3) If the bag is lost, the crewmember is unable to report for duty AT COMPANY FAULT since grooming/clean uniform is a requirement.

You'll see how quickly the company finds a solution.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Only on the 50 seat without a modified closet.

CP said that he keeps his up front behind his seat.

It's BS, cause managment doesn't want them in the overheads for passenger convienience, but we have a no carry on bag policy now so they don't use them anyhow. All pax are allowed now are personal items (briefcase, puse, knapsack, etc...).

 

[av8er2]

I know you all believe this is BS and there is a much better way to do this.

Send in a comment through the Ask ASA comment form on the MyASA site.

If we all pull together maybe they will realize there is a better way to do this. The ones making this rule are not on the line where we all see and hear of bag problems from being put in the cargo bin.

 

[BenderGonzales]

"Behind the seat" is not approved bag stowage. The chief pilot may find himself backpeddling if the Feds find out he's suggesting that.

 

[Phony Marconi]

I know you all believe this is BS and there is a much better way to do this.

Send in a comment through the Ask ASA comment form on the MyASA site.

If we all pull together maybe they will realize there is a better way to do this. The ones making this rule are not on the line where we all see and hear of bag problems from being put in the cargo bin.

Thanks for the Geriatric type-face.

Now.....is that "Ask ASA" comment form the one on the "Kool-Aid" drop-down menu?

 

[((7))]

Store a copy of your Lic. and Medical in your crew bag. When it's lost, state your lic, and medical is in your crew bag. Don't volunteer that it's just a copy. Let them figure it out.

 

[Phony Marconi]

Store a copy of your Lic. and Medical in your crew bag. When it's lost, state your lic, and medical is in your crew bag. Don't volunteer that it's just a copy. Let them figure it out.

That's brilliant!

 

[h25b]

I don't think that will work because I think you are supposed to carry those items "on your person" ...

 

[av8er2]

Ask ASA is on the left side of the home page in about the middle. You don't even have to use your email or name if you don't want to.

 

[viper548]

You can put your bag under the last row of seats in the cabin.

 

[av8er2]

Before the memo that is trying to scare all crews, over 90% put their bags in the overheads. There were a lot of bags mishandled and damaged.

Now the genius mgt. want 100% of crews to put their bags in the cargo. The lost and damaged bags with sky rocket!

There goes on time!

 

[av8er2]

How about you have a special electric razor in your bag they just lost and you are unable to shave with a normal razor due to skin condition.

You'll look real sharp the next day infront of the passengers.

Or how about you just spilled dinner on your only pilot shirt since they lost your bag.

That will give the passengers confidence when you show up unshaved and dinner stains all over your shirt.

 

[jumppilot]

Before the memo that is trying to scare all crews, over 90% put their bags in the overheads. There were a lot of bags mishandled and damaged.

Now the genius mgt. want 100% of crews to put their bags in the cargo. The lost and damaged bags with sky rocket!

There goes on time!

Didn't one of your captains get suspended because he went to baggage claim to retrieve his bag (it was accidently sent then) and delayed the flight?

I call BS, but there has to be more to the story. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen, especially if he has a condition that requires control drugs...drugs that were in his suitcase.

 

[av8er2]

"Sorry, my allergy medicine is in my bag. I can't continue I need it".

Or just the fact that a $300 LW's bag plus about $250 worth of clothes and anything else that is important is lost and floating around somewhere.

At this point just say "since we don't make any money and my family and I live paycheck to paycheck and I can't afford to replace all of this, I am now worried and stressed out and I don't think I am safe to fly.

That will fix that.

 

[FN FAL]

Why don't you get the company to post a required list of items that must be in a crew bag, then have everybody pack generic crew bags.

That way if your's gets sidetracked, you can just grab the next one that comes down the luggage chute.

Put it on an honor system...if you use up the toothpaste, you replace it. If you use up the bar of soap, replace it. If you get to last pair of underwear, it's your turn to wash all the ones required to be in the bag or replace them.

It shouldn't be to hard to get management to help you come up with an itemized list for a standard crew bag and a policy on managing them.

Maybe they could keep a spare one at the CSA counter and if there's one too two few available, it could be purchased with a deposit for return by the junior man on the flight.

Or maybe they could just fill the things and seal them up and provide them to you at the beginning of your trip, then you could turn them in at the end of your trip and just pay for what you used...just like they do with the candy bars and what not in the hotel room courtesy bar, expert it would be shirts, socks, underoos, toothpaste, and yadda yadda.

 

[Crash Pad]

STRIKE NOW. Before this thread I didn't even know there was a crew bag problem. I realize now that management is just using another trick in coordination with the FAA to screw our QOL.
You all understand that you have a whole thread devoted to b!tching about bag storage. I'm not calling you guys a bunch of whiny @ss
b!tches but if the shoe fits.

 

[ohplease!]

Before the memo that is trying to scare all crews, over 90% put their bags in the overheads. There were a lot of bags mishandled and damaged.

Now the genius mgt. want 100% of crews to put their bags in the cargo. The lost and damaged bags with sky rocket!

There goes on time!

I've never put mine in an overhead (won't fit anyway). I've always put it on the carry on cart myself before I get on the plane. I've been on the RJ for almost 2 years now and I've NEVER had my bag go missing. NEVER. Not once. Nothing inside has ever been damaged and the bag has never been damaged. I do miss that fwd cargo on the ATR though.

I've never flown with anyone who has had their bag go missing. FO or FA. Not once.

Almost everyone I've flown with has put their bag on the cart as well. Very few put their bag in an overhead.

maybe those of you who are losing your bags are the same ones I watch roll their bag up to the side of the plane and leave it there for the ramp folks to put it on the cart for you. Funny thing about treating people like second class citizens; if they get a chance to get you back, they will....

I have lately started to put my bag in the new locker up front if I know I'm overnighting somewhere that has a jetway...for 2 reasons:

1. I'm too lazy to get the door code, walk down the steps, get the bag and carry it back up the stairs.

2. I don't want the ramp folks to have to lift my heavy ass bag up and over the railing. Seen too many 100# girls trying to lift my 60# bag. I'm from the south, we don't let women do stuff like that...

 

[Tomct]

Well, unless they are going to repay me the 300 plus for my bag damage, they can kiss my @ss! It will be in the overhead!
Ohplease...that is great you have never lost your bag, but you have only been on the RJ for 2 years. I have been there 6plus years and have witnessed atleast 15 different times that they took crew members bags off and we did not know until calling the off times! Most of the time it was with quick turns, but that does not do you any good when you get to the overnight with nothing to change into! I say....Screw Em! The overhead is my domain!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Oh please,
Try going through OKC a few times and see how that goes. I think they hold the record for crew bags being sent to bag claim. Twice to me.

 

[shamrock]

I've never flown with anyone who has had their bag go missing. FO or FA. Not once.

To paraphrase your post: "Well it hasn't happened to me or anyone I know so it must not be true!"

It has happened. Twice in my case.

Funny thing about treating people like second class citizens; if they get a chance to get you back, they will....

You finally get it! You would think the company would have learned this by now. Oh wait, you're talking about how we treat the rampers. Nevermind.

 

[ohplease!]

To paraphrase your post: "Well it hasn't happened to me or anyone I know so it must not be true!"

It has happened. Twice in my case.



You finally get it! You would think the company would have learned this by now. Oh wait, you're talking about how we treat the rampers. Nevermind.

guess I'm just the lucky one..

 

[HoserASA]

Some notes from some of the posts above.

I had an FO lose his bag for 5 days on the ATR around 5-6 years ago. So, it has happened in the past, and happens in the present, and will in the future.

FAR Part 91 states Pilot Cert/Med Cert has to be in YOUR POSSESION. So, in your bag which is on the plane fits I. I had a stan ride years ago on the E120 and the IP wanted to see my certifcates. I got up and retrieved them from my bag in the closet. He stated they had to be on your person, and I informed him negative ghostrider, in your possesion! He was cool with that BTW.

ATL CP told me the other day that it's one butthole FAA Inspector who is obsessed with this. I don't care, mine goes in the overhead. Less than 3 years to go, may as well get a violation on my ticket .

Hoser

 

[shamrock]

Less than 3 years to go, may as well get a violation on my ticket .
Hoser

So exactly what kind of violation would that be anyway?

"Did you damage an airplane?" "Nope."
"Bust an altitude?" "Nope."
"Runway incursion?" "No."
"So what exactly did you do?"

"I put my bag in the overhead"

Oh, the horror!!!!

 

[rumrnr78]

I remember stopping the baggage cart in DEN on a 30 minute turn to retrieve my bag; which had been taken out of the yellow bag. Since then, my bag goes in the overhead and always will!!!

Maybe IF I get a violation I can sue "Crew Needs" since they market the bag to CRJ pilots and the ability to fit it in an overhead!! I am kidding...

Fly safe and ready to strike!!

 

[Phony Marconi]

I'm gonna be the Rosa Parks of aviation.

My tombstone will read:

"In defiance of management tyranny, stored his bag overhead during flight, lest his underwear, toothbrush, and comb misplaceth"

 

[shamrock]

I'm gonna be the Rosa Parks of aviation.

My tombstone will read:

"In defiance of management tyranny, stored his bag overhead during flight, lest his underwear, toothbrush, and comb misplaceth"

Throw in a little corruption and you could have an airport named after you.

The "Hartsfield-Jackson-Malcolm X-Marconi International Airport" has a nice ring to it.

 

[rumrnr78]

Phony- Just make sure you have a meeting with the union before hand. Rosa Parks' action was well calculated before hand. No excuse for Jim Crow but she is no hero.

 

[indianboy7]

You guys all just need to stop screaming about it and just put the bags where you feel like.........company policy isn't gonna get anyone violated by the FAA...in all truth, the FAA probably doesn't care where you put your bag..........just stop bitching and whining about it, throw it in the overheads and be done with it......I'm sure that the CP's aren't trolling on the ramps looking for crew bags......and even if they do call you on it, honestly explain yourself, and if they ask you to put it back there, comply and put it back in the overhead at the next stop...problem solved :beer: