ASA CR2 Preflight

[BCpilot81]

Let us not all forget that the static wick at the VERY tip of the wing, on the bottom corner must also be there, also the sealant on the leading edge for the wing anti-ice must be a whole piece without fray and must fit cleanly in the area it is meant to seal.

 

[WorldOnTime]

As I walked into the gate area I noticed a lady was crying.


-------

I have absolutely no idea why she was crying, but thought it through a little further.

She was probably crying because she had to fly ASA (no offense to the pilots, of course).

 

[601Pilot]

Yeah because being professional has worked so well for us so far. Personally I am not feeling very professional since the company I work for has chosen to lie and stall every attempt at a better contract for four years. Yes, I do feel for our passengers, but they are the only reason we will get a contract. When Delta takes notice of the dismal performance of ASA and starts to fine Skywest, then we may actually see some movement. Or they may cancel our contract, chance we have to take.

I totally agree; we have to do something to get this process moving.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Be careful not to place blame on the wrong group. All of this is just the unintended consequences of greedy managers trying to rap labor in an effort to line their own pockets.

War is always bad. Innocient people always get caught in the middle. However, war is still sometimes nessecary.

If a passenger misses a wedding, funeral, vacation, homecoming, whatever...it is not because I wrote something up. It is because management is trying to find a quick and easy way to save money.

Your logic is completely misplaced. I am not going to extend my walk around trying to purposfully ground a perfectly good a/c to "advance to cause". Believe it or not it is the pax that pay us to get them from point A to point B and that is what I am going to do. If there is something serious that will affect the safety of the a/c that is a different story.

Doing my job means that I follow the check lists and company procedures perscribed in the POH. Not carrying a nickle to tap the nose of the a/c or open the aft eq bay/avionics bay door for any reason unless I see something leaking from it. The only door that has to be opened is the nose door to verify the pins are out no leak and signs of damage.

To call the people that pay your salary casualties of war is asinine and I would hope that the CNC/MEC agrees with me.

There has to be a better way ...

 

[John Pennekamp]

Your logic is completely misplaced. I am not going to extend my walk around trying to purposfully ground a perfectly good a/c to "advance to cause". Believe it or not it is the pax that pay us to get them from point A to point B and that is what I am going to do. If there is something serious that will affect the safety of the a/c that is a different story.

Doing my job means that I follow the check lists and company procedures perscribed in the POH. Not carrying a nickle to tap the nose of the a/c or open the aft eq bay/avionics bay door for any reason unless I see something leaking from it. The only door that has to be opened is the nose door to verify the pins are out no leak and signs of damage.

To call the people that pay your salary casualties of war is asinine and I would hope that the CNC/MEC agrees with me.

There has to be a better way ...

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

 

[ohplease!]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

nice CRM.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

Um yeah, I had a captain like you once. He would keep telling me to do crap just because he's the captain and that's what he could do. The stupidest crap you could ever think of too. Then as soon as I started subtle protesting he pulled up the same argument that he'd take me to a chief pilot and I wouldnt want that. Guess what, I told him that's a good idea and let's go see a chief pilot since he was now threatening me and making a very poor work environment. Maybe I should have been a lawyer, since I was in there for 5 min and left without an issue. The captain was in there much longer. I've never had it come up again.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

Well JP, as long as I am following the letter of my FOM/POH I wonder which way the CP go. Good Luck...

Think B4 you Speak...

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well JP, as long as I am following the letter of my FOM/POH I wonder which way the CP go. Good Luck...

Think B4 you Speak...

I would caution you the same. Until you gain some experience you stick your foot in your mouth every time you tell us what you "think" we should do. You have never been through a contract at this company. You have no experience to draw from. And your SP clearly states that you report to the captain. The CPs have backed me before, and will back me again. I'll put my paycheck against yours that my reputation with them surpasses yours! I'm not the typical jerk you think I am, but I'm also not afraid to let an insubordinant FO know they won't run my cockpit!

 

[atlcrjdriver]

No one is telling you what to do or how to run the cockpit. However what I am saying is that your methods of trying to get your point across IMHO is skewed.

By the way, if your attitude in the a/c is the same as on this board then you are creating an unsafe enviornment by not creating an open area of communication amongst the crew.

 

[John Pennekamp]

By the way, if your attitude in the a/c is the same as on this board then you are creating an unsafe enviornment by not creating an open area of communication amongst the crew.

I could say the same of you. That's why I don't talk politics in the cockpit!

 

[wms]

just sucks for you guys to do this. all this does is screw some poor mechanic who has to stop changing a tire to come over and waste 15 minutes writing up something. where does the poh say to open any door on the plane to check hydraulic fluid or else. let the operation ruin itself as it normally does. it doesnt need our help. our mechanics are about the only group i have complete faith in. i hate seeing them and the pax get screwed so someone can take a 10 minute delay.

Show the company that we are the professionals.

As a former mechanic I can say they get paid the same hourly rate regardless of the task. The ones that complain because they have to put down the cup of coffee to change a light bulb aren't even respected by their own. The fact is the mechanics are as unhappy as we are, that's why their retention is bad also.

 

[ASADFW7]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

John, I hope you are joking.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Um yeah, I had a captain like you once. He would keep telling me to do crap just because he's the captain and that's what he could do. The stupidest crap you could ever think of too. Then as soon as I started subtle protesting he pulled up the same argument that he'd take me to a chief pilot and I wouldnt want that. Guess what, I told him that's a good idea and let's go see a chief pilot since he was now threatening me and making a very poor work environment. Maybe I should have been a lawyer, since I was in there for 5 min and left without an issue. The captain was in there much longer. I've never had it come up again.

First Officer tough guy eh? Get me my coffee lil man!

 

[Cardenal]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

Good grief, man. Look at that...two threats in one little message. Efficient, ain't you? "we shall see the chief pilot"...let's go. Shall I lead the way or shall you? And my favorite..."once you go down that road with a senior captain". Is this your own material? I ask, you see, because it is sooo good. Maybe you should try to publish some of the stuff.

Now, the fact that you seem to be an insufferable anal fistula notwithstanding (being that would affect those in your personal life, and thus not me--thank God), your attitude is so noxious to CRM I really wonder about safety.

 

[CFIT]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

You are un-believable, if this kind of pilot you are you need to go do something some thing by yourself (like whackoff) and not a position where you have to work with others. I would tell any FO that has to fly with a dork like you to put visine in your coffee and watch you squirm thru your flight then write you up to the CP for flying when medically unable, if could in the first place.

The only reason you are a Captain, in your case questionable, is because of seniority and not because your are any better than you FO.

 

[Cardenal]

I would caution you the same. Until you gain some experience you stick your foot in your mouth every time you tell us what you "think" we should do. You have never been through a contract at this company. You have no experience to draw from. And your SP clearly states that you report to the captain. The CPs have backed me before, and will back me again. I'll put my paycheck against yours that my reputation with them surpasses yours! I'm not the typical jerk you think I am, but I'm also not afraid to let an insubordinant FO know they won't run my cockpit!

and, my brave and wise (all knowing, in fact) Captain, it is spelled "insubordinate".

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Asa Tool

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

Ladies and gents,

John Penniskramp - Two shows nightly at the ATL improv!

 

[bknight_c50]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

WOW! First of all, I'm an FO, not your b!tch...If you want to go over the airplane with a fine toothed comb, opening every door, and every access panel to find something to write up...as an FO...I can't stop you. But you can do your own dirty work...you want to find something, find it yourself. Do the walkaround yourself. I'm not your toady. This is not an issue of running your flight deck, or when faced with a decision, doing something without running it by you, or doing the opposite of your decision because I don't like the one you made...that's insubordination...refusing to invent a write up to participate in a slow-down, when you can easily do it yourself isn't.

Second of all. If you want to go to the chief pilot to bring up insubordination, what do you think he's gonna say when the FO says that he/she did the walkaround and deemed the airplane airworthy, and was ready to perform the duties of flying his/her passengers to their destination at the appropriate time, but upon reaching the flightdeck was instructed by the captain to do the walkaround again, only this time...find something to write up so that we can delay the flight to participate in a company slow-down to protest management's handling of our contract negotiations. Who's being insubordinate? Isn't the chief pilot management? I don't think he's necessarily going to back up the cause.

If your chief pilot will back you up in that situation, then I'm glad I don't work for ASA. Our chief pilots would not have a problem if we ran into a captain with your attitude, and told him to stick it. It's unsafe, unprofessional, and we don't have to put up with it. Luckily, I haven't run into anyone like you, and don't think I will ever have to...We have some doozies, but none are quite the a$$ that you seem to be.

 

[ASADriver]

Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain.

Until you qualify for upgrade, spare us the discourse on what you'll do or not do. It's not your aircraft, it's mine. Since you brought it up, go re-read in your "job description" how you answer to the captain and he can modify your duties as he sees fit.

You must be a joy to fly with. What an A$$!

 

[737 Pylt]

This is comedy at its best!

I would caution you the same. Until you gain some experience you stick your foot in your mouth every time you tell us what you "think" we should do.

LOL! This....Coming from YOU??? YGTBSM!

You have never been through a contract at this company. You have no experience to draw from.

And though you've been through one, it still shows how little experience and much of a doosh bag you actually are "cappy."

And your SP clearly states that you report to the captain. The CPs have backed me before, and will back me again.

Be careful there sport, pro standards loves pricks like you who "think" they know it all. I bet you're your biggest fan!

I'll put my paycheck against yours that my reputation with them surpasses yours!

Can you really spare a couple of bucks like that???

I'm not the typical jerk you think I am,

Sure you are!

but I'm also not afraid to let an insubordinant FO know they won't run my cockpit!

You really should save all this tough guy talk for all the high school chicks you impress at the local mall!
737
This guy's a winner!

You are un-believable, if this kind of pilot you are you need to go do something some thing by yourself (like whackoff) and not a position where you have to work with others. I would tell any FO that has to fly with a dork like you to put visine in your coffee and watch you squirm thru your flight then write you up to the CP for flying when medically unable, if could in the first place.

The only reason you are a Captain, in your case questionable, is because of seniority and not because your are any better than you FO.

I can't believe I'm saying this......I actually agree with CFIT on something!
737

 

[John Pennekamp]

My comments were directed to one FO in particular who seems to think he's running the show, not all FOs in general. Y'all can spare me the rants on what a jerk I am, because as y'all should know by now, I've got pretty thick skin.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

My comments were directed to one FO in particular who seems to think he's running the show, not all FOs in general. Y'all can spare me the rants on what a jerk I am, because as y'all should know by now, I've got pretty thick skin.

If this is what comes out here, you may not directly demonstrate it while flying, but the seeds are already there. You may want to check yourself and occasionally think back to those CP's that you couldn't stand to fly with and remember what sort of CP you DO NOT want to be. I wish more CP's would do this but I am sure when flying with so many of these 23 year old tools, this is affected too. Must be tough with Maverick over there in the right seat.

And you really should see a doctor about that skin problem. There are all sorts of remedies to fix thick skin.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

My comments were directed to one FO in particular who seems to think he's running the show, not all FOs in general. Y'all can spare me the rants on what a jerk I am, because as y'all should know by now, I've got pretty thick skin.

JP, I speak my mind on what I hear and see. If you don't like what I have to say then move on and get over it. I still believe that your views are skewed on how to get this done. From your last outburst I also believe your CRM skills as severly lacking. So now what are you going throw another childish tantrum and stick your chest out?

 

[737 Pylt]

oh look everyone, its the playground bully. Come to push us wittle kids around....oh no! fuknjackass!

Naaah, I just like picking on little pricks like you because you make it so easy!

and this last little satetment; I guess you know from past experience how much better this works. Didn't you used to fly an ATR for us and try to meet some 14 yr. old chick at the Macon mall? Yep. thought so. How've you been doing John? Pedophile.....

Nope, and your sister told me she was 18 BTW. Also, I only did that after I saw her take on the whole atlanta hawks basketball team!
You are just too easy to pick on nancy boy!
737

 

[ohplease!]

Naaah, I just like picking on little pricks like you because you make it so easy!


Nope, and your sister told me she was 18 BTW. Also, I only did that after I saw her take on the whole atlanta hawks basketball team!
You are just too easy to pick on nancy boy!
737

now I'm convinced you're in the 5th grade. Get off moms computer and do your homework.