ASA Contract key items

[ohplease!]

Even if he did, we have too many scared little school children to really strike.

So there it is, all of the rest is academic.

Don't think that because some of us don't rant about stricking all the time , over and over and over and over....well you get the idea.....that we don't have the resolve to walk out. I think you'd be VERY surprised at what a strick vote would bring.

 

[Jungle Prop]

We must get 100% retro pay and a seniority based reserve system with access to crew trac to hold em accountable.

 

[Sinca3]

Has it occured to you that CMR struck for 89 days and was almost shut down and didn't get 100% retro pay? Remember that this next contract is going to have to get us by another 7 or 8 years.

atrdriver,
This is exactely why we have to get 100%retro pay!! I refuse to let mgmnt drag this out every time!! I will not sign unless we get 100% retro.

 

[79%N1]

Dont even show me anything without 100% retro pay! Automatic no vote! There is no way we can let mgmnt off the hook for their tactics! That is our only revenge.

After that, at least a min day, and the big scheduling issues.

Remember, COEX got 100% retro pay at COMAIR rates, which is higher than their newly negotiated rates!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Guys - with Mesa's rates and Comair's concessions what makes you think "retro pay" will not involve us writing a check to the Company?

I honestly think Delta is too far gone for our contract to matter a whit. Our Contract will be nullified by bankruptcy, if we even get a contract before bankruptcy. Either way it does not matter.

My strike issues are:
1) Delta is a signatory to our contract ( no more alter ego )
2) Delta is a signatory to our scope section
3) We have representation directly with the party in charge of our wages and working conditions.
4) We have online access to Crewtrac
5) We have ASAP without waiving our grievance protections ( Company made safety a contract issue - so can we )

~ Now the "nice to haves, but not worth shutting the Company down for ~

6) We have some sort of personal time, so we don't have to use "sick" calls when the roof blows off our house, our car gets hit by some idiot drunk or other disasters strike.
7) Open time pick up without restrictions, if it legal, you can pick it up.
8) Time and a half pick up within 72 hours
9) Trip and duty rigs
10) Any involuntary junior manning, or extending, earns the pilot a credit which they can trade for time and a half, or for time and a half to drop a trip ( time off ) I am tired of ASA taking all my time off - people need time to rest and decompress from the constant battle with scheduling.

Notice that these are "non economic" items which are really win / win proposals for us and ASA. The time off instead of time and a half would actually save a few bucks, although the airline might have to train enough pilots and plan with something other than last month's numbers.

I do not anticipate that most of the items on my must have list will be negotiated, even less expectation that they will be agreed to. So, I know how I will vote when given the opportunity. I will repeat that vote every chance I get until Delta's alter ego portfolio is gone. I simply hate the way we have been treated.

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[79%N1]

Fins.....

While I agree with a lot of your post, and you have even given me a few other items to think about......remember, Mesa has those rates/costs because their pilots trade pay/QOL for growth. JO consistently dangles growth, or loss of it (Freedumb) to coerce them into below standard contracts. Mesa is profitable, flying RJ's to feed their regional partners. (Ghast ----- can it be possible Gen Lee??????)
Comair took a pay freeze, because they were dangled cool new airplanes with wing mounted engines (that they havent ordered). The freeze is still BETTER than ANYTHING we at ASA have in our contract. Also, XJET got 100% retro pay in todays economy with a major partner hurting financially, although nowhere near as bad as Delta. IMO, WE MUST hold the line to get WHAT WE ARE WORTH! Although GL will argue (I know, I know.....53 bajillion zillion dollars of RJ debt) we are not the problem with Delta. Zero net gain aint gonna cut it!

 

[av8tor4239]

OH PLEASE... YOU need to SHUT THE F%$# UP... YOu do not have a leg to stand on... The only reason you will get anything out of this new contract is becasue of your fellow crew members that get out and WALK THE LINE, support the union, and git er done.. YOu are the weakest spineless pile of dung on our SR list and you dont deserve anything from the new contract, because you have done nothing to promote the efforts to gain it.. If anything, you encouraged the prolonging of negotiations through your anti labor/pro managment rant and rave.

Our new contract should have a clause that states "Everything in this new contract applies to all pilots on the SR list EXCEPT oh please (what ever you real name is)".

If they take premium away, so be it... there better be a major increase in pay to compensate for the premium.

Also you FACTS are so screwed up! What about all the jet guys that fly naps! Also, For JUNE there are only 2 lines blocked under 75 hours.

 

[~~~^~~~]

They had better not mess with premium. Premium is all that keeps this airline on time. Removing the only incentive we have for the performance that makes our connecting passengers happy would be a mistake.

 

[SBD-2U3]

Retro, Scheduling, and Duty Rigs.

 

[Full of LUV]

Hello ASA Brothers and Sisters- Got the ol' "financial prep for a strike" newsletter and I got to thinking of what would be the key items I want to see in a new contract. Obviously, clean up scheduling language, etc. But to narrow it down to two that I need to see to even consider signing are:

1. 100% retro pay

2. commuter clause

Looking forward to the responses, fly safe and fly the contract! Rum

Does this mean if you take pay cuts, will you give 100% pay back to the company that you were overpaid?
Just asking?

 

[Palerider957]

Does this mean if you take pay cuts, will you give 100% pay back to the company that you were overpaid?
Just asking?

Idiot.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Money is not everything!

I don't think we will see Comair rates, but QOL issues may be a different story. It seems that Screw Scheduling is more worried about the possibility of a pilot getting over than getting the job done (sounds like the Army). They go out of their way to ensure the pilots are as miserable as possible. This is where we need to clean house. Long call reserves, commuter clause, and efficient scheduling should be the key issues. Even a 10% increase in pay would not offset these important issues. And if you are going to strike over key issues, make sure you will recoup your losses you might incur. For some, 45 days or so of lost pay may make your situation unrecoverable. An increase in wages might not be the end all as these negotiations are concluded. Growth is much more benificial to your bottom line that meager increases in hourly pay. Moving to the left seat almost doubles your pay and greatly improves QOL for junion FO's moving up to replace you. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[CarjCapt]

While you may call me a "buttinsky" but as a recipient of 3 CMR contracts and on the Contract Study committee for 2, I can tell you from experience (with a 89 day strike) the following:

1. The "retro" will be nothing like you speculate.
2. You will gain some QOL issues.
3. And as "Fins" says the very most important issue is "SCOPE"
You will be much better off in the long run if you make sure Delta Air Lines
is part and parcel of your scope language.

And as addendum, hopefully before you are sold, that you get fragmentation language in Section 1 that will prevent ASA assets sold without the pilots going with them.

PS: The aviatar is a picture of a LOA placed in front of our Chief Pilot's office.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Growth is much more benificial to your bottom line that meager increases in hourly pay. Moving to the left seat almost doubles your pay and greatly improves QOL for junion FO's moving up to replace you. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

That's brilliant. Since when are pilot contracts about growth(Comair)? I think FO's need to suck it up. I never arrived at this airline expecting to make a fortune in the right seat, nor did I expect to upgrade as quickly as I did. But never would I offer my pay for the chance to do it. NEVER. For those less fortunate in timing, let's not give away the bank so a few poor FO's can upgrade to that all coveted left seat. Once you're there, 70k isn't jack sh1t either. Then what?

 

[Freebrd]

>>>>I don't think we will see Comair rates, but QOL issues may be a different story.<<<<

Tim you are so full of yourself! If CMR rates are the standard, or COEX rates are, then we deserve the same. And we will obtain them! While you remain on military leave IN THE STATES we are out here everyday fighting and putting up with ASA's crap. And when you return you will benefit from our little battles. Of course, I don't expect to see you out on the picket line anytime soon either! You don't know what's going on here because you've been gone so long. So, while you're entitled to your opinion, you really don't know what this pilot group wants do you?