ASA Classes

[Torey15]

Sic 'em bears-No thanks man. I had Jay try and talk me into that three years ago. I am happily swimming in the pool at another DCI carrier. I was at FSI when they started that program and saw several of my buddies who were buck private pilots in January of 00' be the first to complete the training, and be in the RJ by late October.

I had to slug it out watching various morons do Vmc demos for the last three years! At any rate, the program is good for those who could/can afford it. Neither one of those was me. Thanks anyway.....

 

[DrunkIrishman]

General-

Careful what you ask for. If Delta operates another subsidiary of CR700's using Delta furlough's, then what would be the difference between them and us at ASA or Comair. Especially since Delta could whipsaw its own Delta pilots against themselves. I.E., furloughed 70 seat pilots get "awarded" more mainline flying to circumvent DALPA's 88's and up. Is this really the solution you support?

Also, I heard Embraer was merely showing off the E-170 to all, not specifically Delta. Do you have any other info on this?

 

[General Lee]

DrunkIrishman,


Yeah, I think EMB was just showing Delta the Emb-170---and I honestly haven't heard much more about the 100 seaters or an order. That rumor might just float away. As far as the 70 seater issue, this is all just my opinion--not Dalpa's. As far as them "whipsawing" us against ourselves, that can all be handled with a strict number of extra 70 seaters allowed, and a ratio with mainline aircraft---not to be exceeded... I personally don't think that Dalpa wants to give more up on scope with all of our furloughs out, but who knows? The MEC members I have personally talked to assured me that they would fight for the furloughs and try to help them. The 70 seater issue is not really tops on their agenda, but I think they would like to see a new 100 seater eventually, and that would help our guys/gals to return sooner. If Delta was ONLY going to order 70 seaters, I think Dalpa might consider a deal with the furloughs involved. That just makes sense.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Medeco]

Question

Is ASA scoped on the number of 50/40 seaters or just the RJ700?

If yes, then how many?

Medeco

 

[sleepy]

Re: Question

Is ASA scoped on the number of 50/40 seaters or just the RJ700?

If yes, then how many?

Medeco

There is no DAL scope that pertains to ASA or Comair directly. It only limits the number of CR7's that may be operated by DCI. As it stands now, only ASA and Comair operate the CR7 for DCI. DCI may operate 57 of the CR7 aircraft

As far as total DCI Flying goes, it is a percentage of DAL mainline flying (around 48%). ASA and Comair do the majority of that flying, but some is contracted to Chit, Skywest and ACA.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I think it goes a little deeper than that. There is language that restricts Comair and ASA from bidding on and flying code for any one but Delta. We are extremely restricted by the mainline contracT, although we do have our own. Funny how that works. Skywest can go after all the flying they want, but the Delta pilots decided we could not do the same. And some wonder where the RJDC came from.

 

[sleepy]

At a meeting last week at the GO, it was stated that ASA will begin hiring 24 pilots per month starting in March 2004. They will hire 24 per month for the rest of 2004.

That should be about 240 pilots in 2004!

 

[Wacopilot]

Gen,

Exactly how many furloughed Delta pilots did ASA hire?
and......How many are still there?

Waco

 

[General Lee]

Wacopilot,

I don't know the exact number, but it wasn't much---maybe 15?? I do know two of them, and they are very thankful.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tim47SIP]

Waco and Gen

19 is the number as of 4 months ago. There is a pool of Delta guys and they will get priority, but in a ratio. I have seen the stack (I walked in two resume's for Delta furloughee's), and it is fairly thick. The thinking here is that if we take on all Delta guys for new hires and a massive recall takes place, ASA will have serious manning problems. Although I dought that will occur, I can understand. I have flown with a few of these guys (Jump seated; they were FO's) and they were great. Outstanding individuals, even when sitting next to that proverbial "snot nose captain". Anyway, I hope that they all get to come here soon.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Several of our "Delta" new hires did not last very long - they found better jobs almost immediately. Several are not even planning to return to Delta.

Obviously most of the Delta furloughees are highly qualified pilots. Why do they want to stagnate on reserve at ASA for 19K a year when most of them have been typed in something and can earn 65K plus flying corporate, or overseas somewhere until Delta calls them back?

ASA's management is not very pilot friendly at the moment and this can actually be sort of a dangerous place to be career wise while the Company sorts out the process of self - reporting to the FAA.

The George and John days have returned....

 

[exeagle]

At a meeting last week at the GO, it was stated that ASA will begin hiring 24 pilots per month starting in March 2004. They will hire 24 per month for the rest of 2004.

Sleepy, how is this possible (I hope it is!!!) with only 15 new jets next year?

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, how many planes are you guys getting? I thought you were going to get 15 CR7s?



TIM47SIP,

The guys I know that are now at ASA are very thankful for the job. Again, thanks for allowing that to happen.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[asapilot]

Sleepy, how is this possible (I hope it is!!!) with only 15 new jets next year?

I outlined this in an earlier post, but here's how it breaks down, at least hypothetically...

The company plans 5.75 crews/airplane. So, for 15 jets, that means 86.25x2(1 Capt/1FO) which is 172.5 pilots. So, that will deplete most of the reserves. In addition, we're getting back something like 37 flights from SKYW/CHQ in DFW by year's end. So, I heard that will increase lines by about 15. That's what we know. So, if we end up adding new service or increasing existing service, who knows what we could need.

 

[jetflyer]

END THE BAD BLOOD NOW

The guys I know that are now at ASA are very thankful for the job. Again, thanks for allowing that to happen.

General and other angered Delta pilots and furloughees,

This has been on my mind for a very long time and just decided now to say these things.

I along with all of the current and future Comair pilots that want to fly for Delta in the future strongly wish you could be thanking us too!! I know you are all mature enough and will not hold a management's decision against us when we apply at Delta in the future.

Besides all you would be hurting are the Comair pilots that are totally against management's decision. You WOULD NOT be hurting those that were in agreement with management's decision like you would like to. THEY WILL NEVER APPLY at Delta. So why bother and why boycott the entire bunch when it wasn't our fault!!! You would only be hurting those of us at Comair that shouldn't be hurt at all.

For all Comair pilots I'd like to apologize. I apologize in behalf of hundreds of Comair pilots for Comair's decision to not hire Delta furloughees. They could have changed their RETARDED PROVISION that they don't want to hire furloughees without resigning their seniority number, just this one time!!! They didn't and for this too we're sorry. I along with hundreds of other Comair pilots would have accepted you guys with open arms and been happy to have you walk our halls and fly our planes. We as a pilot group would not have let any conceived retarded CRM problems become an issue. We are all adults and would have been mature enough to handle this. Once again I apologize and wish there were no Delta furloughees at all. It is horrible that there are still a thousand families out there struggling and I wish it would end now. They should all be recalled immediately.

Please accept the apology and can we bury the hatchet now?????

Geeze, General you've become like a broken record on this site about how much you hate Comair pilots!!! Please end it now. I wonder sometimes if you just CUT AND PASTE the same insults about Comair pilots and Delta supporting us during the strike stuff into every post you do on FLIGHTINFO.COM. It's very aggravating that you're holding this grudge WRONGLY! We work for the same company and treat each other like cr-ap. We need to figure out a way to put the past BEHIND US, and figure out how we can work together better now and in the future.


The bad blood is pathetic, and you General, many Comair pilots and other Delta pilots have let MANAGEMENT divide us and we need to find a way to form some SOLIDARITY. This working relationship is going to go on for a long time and we need to stop these pathetic quarrels.

LET'S END THE BAD BLOOD NOW
Jet