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Hey Guys, I am sure all of you got your Christmas Memo from Bryan Labrecque. It took me a 4 day trip to figure out how best to respond. I figured that since he sent me a memo that he was probably going to sit at his desk and wait for my response. Well, I have sent him one. It simply said:

Thank you for your Christmas Memo. However, My Union speaks for Me.

Sincerely,

Sign your name.


Should you wish to do the same, here is his company email address:

[email protected]

Let's fill it up!

Fly Safe,

T
 
Well I actually thought he might be telling the truth considering the up-teen times he and his minions have been in the crew lounge spewing how 'they are really ready now to negotiate a contract" and " we want to get this over with now".

I actually was hopeful.....then I see this dipsh!t memo.

They are not ready for jack squat, they are wanting consessions....

NOT GONNA HAPPEN BRYAN...GET OVER IT!!!!

VOTING YES on strike ballot

My union speaks for me too.

GT50M
 
goodto50meters said:
VOTING YES on strike ballotGT50M

Did I hear something about a strike??

Music to my ears. I am still waiting for a pilot group to show some courage and put out some return fire for the past 4 years.
 
My union speaks for me!! I am a professional and I expect to be paid and treated like one or I am out.
 
Well folks the begining of a new year is around the corner. Our new president has said over and over forget about the past! What happened in the past isn't something we can change now. He wants us to "have the vision" and believe everything he says is the god honest truth. What Mr. Labreqcue seems to not understand is we have NO reason to believe him or his cronies! Think of all the managment rhetoric being spewed everywhere at all levels at all airlines.....including good ole ASA. Why should any of us believe them? Why should I or any of my fellow pilots believe anything ASA managment says without PROOF!!! Show me some goodwill Mr. Labrecque, show me you aren't full of $hit and you really mean what you say! I will not, nor should any of my companions, believe anything out of your mouth or from your desk with out past PROOF that you mean what you say. I haven't seen a single thing happen that you say will happen. I haven't been respected by my peers in the ASA family and I sure am not willing to risk my profession or my job for a Hope that you are a honest man. Show me, no show US some reason to believe you and maybe we can work together to make his airline run. Until then I will continue to be skepitcal of everything YOU and ALL of ASA managment has to say!
Happy New Year
Sinca3
 
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If anybody has read the BL memo and cannot see that the companies next proposal will be concessionary and include paycuts of some sort is dreaming!!!
They are going to shove the proposal to Comair down our throats, Skywests 700 pay down our throats, and Mesa and CHQ's contracts down our throats. There is NO WAY BL or anyone at Skywest will allow us to walk away with some industry leading contract! They will threaten the loss of ANY chance of growth, which may or may not be true! No, this will get ugly long before we get a quick resolution as BL states they now want! I have a feeling that after Comair takes their new cuts, and SKYW being non-union and already pretty cheap that it will be ASA that will be the sacrificial lamb for Delta as the odd man out.
 
Sinca3 said:
Well folks the begining of a new year is around the corner. Our new president has said over and over forget about the past! What happened in the past isn't something we can change now. He wants us the "have the vision" and believe everything he says is the god honest truth. What Mr. Labreqcue seems to not understand is we have NO reason to believe him or his cronies! Think of all the managment rhetoric being spewed everywhere at all levels at all airlines.....including good ole ASA. Why should any of us believe them? Why should I or any of my fellow pilots believe anything ASA managment says without PROOF!!! Show me some goodwill Mr. Labrecque, show me you aren't full of $hit and you really mean what you say! I will not, nor should any of my companions, believe anything out of your mouth or from your desk with out past PROOF that you mean what you say. I haven't seen a single thing happen that you say will happen. I haven't been respected by my peers in the ASA family and I sure am not willing to risk my profession or my job for a Hope that you are a honest man. Show me, no show US some reason to believe you and maybe we can work together to make his airline run. Until then I will continue to be skepitcal of everything YOU and ALL of ASA managment has to say!
Happy New Year
Sinca3

Very well said Sinca! It should also be noted that our new system CP, ex-windy city dude, is on record saying he can't honor our current agreement but he is committed to honoring the next one. This week should provide us a good idea as to where the company stands, I think the memo is just a preview. Hopefully the next negotiaters update, it'll come out this weekend most likely, will give us some good direction. Barring some miracle I'm thinking those strike vote fence sitters may jump in to the "yes" pile.

Best wishes to our negotiating team, they have been at it with these morons for some time and I don't envy their job!
 
79%N1 said:
If anybody has read the BL memo and cannot see that the companies next proposal will be concessionary and include paycuts of some sort is dreaming!!!
They are going to shove the proposal to Comair down our throats, Skywests 700 pay down our throats, and Mesa and CHQ's contracts down our throats. There is NO WAY BL or anyone at Skywest will allow us to walk away with some industry leading contract! They will threaten the loss of ANY chance of growth, which may or may not be true! No, this will get ugly long before we get a quick resolution as BL states they now want! I have a feeling that after Comair takes their new cuts, and SKYW being non-union and already pretty cheap that it will be ASA that will be the sacrificial lamb for Delta as the odd man out.

79%,

No doubt that CMR turd will show up soon, but a lot of people still have this fear that if we push it too far we'll be replaced tomorrow. The fact is we have quite a leg to stand on any way you slice it. We have some 150 airplanes that if we walked away from Skywest would have lots of splain'in to do because DAL would probably have to shut its doors because its only profitible hub in ATL just lost a huge part of its feed. Yeah they may survive a few weeks but the service interuption would hurt DAL in a fatal way. Combine that with the fact a good chunk of Skywest Inc.'s business revolves around DAL existance. Think about it!

I don't want to strike, and it would put some financial pressure on me and my family. But there comes a point when this job is no longer worth it. ASA has shown time and again that they really don't care about its front line employees and their lives. They'll come out and serve xmas dinner and such but that doesn't make up for the extensions, jr. mans, payroll screw ups, $hitty lines, etc. They only care about those in the Ivory Tower! Management will have you believe we are asking for the moon and the stars! We aren't!!!! We are asking for a fair contract. It isn't like they need to look too far, there is another Skywest Inc. airline with some pretty good stuff with the exception of 700 pay. The company thinks that is too much. Enough is enough!

Vote YES!!!!
 
Enough is enough, and after 5+ years in the airlines and NEVER EARNING OVER $40,000/year I am ready to walk away from this BS and striking is just the excused I need to leave with my head up high! This job is nothing but a continuous slide backwards day after day, year after year!!! The proposed paycuts for not only the jr FO's at Comair, but the Senior Captains is frightening and earth shattering!!!! At least Comair once showed us that a reional guy could make a nice living in either seat! Those days are gone now!
WHATS LEFT???? I cant get to the left seat to build PIC to get to a real job because ASA hasnt had an upgrade in like a billion years. And once a guy does upgrade here he is schedulings reserve cronie forever! It is rediculous........

Anyway, I'm voting yes! MY UNION SPEAKS FOR ME.
 
Sinca3 said:
Well folks the begining of a new year is around the corner. Our new president has said over and over forget about the past! What happened in the past isn't something we can change now. He wants us the "have the vision" and believe everything he says is the god honest truth.

Just forget about the past? - NO - Our Management earned the vote they are about to get.
 
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From:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Bryan LaBrecque, president & COO [/FONT]​
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Subject:​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]My view on the ALPA negotiations
Next week, the company negotiation team will meet with the ALPA negotiation team and the mediator from the National Mediation Board. At this meeting, the company will lay out a roadmap for advancing our pilot negotiations toward a close. We tell you what you get, and it's NOTHING! In fact you're gonna have to give back a lot of stuff. As those sessions approach, I wanted to share with you my view of the process from three months as president, and provide a summary of what I hope we will be able to achieve by working together. [/FONT]
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First, let’s address the obvious. These contract negotiations have gone on far too long. Where has he been the last 3 yrs? .
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]While some would argue that the fault lies entirely with the company, ding ding ding, we have a winner! this view is completely correct. Of course, ASA bears all responsibility for the operational issues that the negotiating committees are reviewing, and we are committed to addressing many issues and concerns that I and other leaders have heard are important to you. Just as long as they are what we want you to have or not have.
Keep in mind, though, it takes two sides – working together toward realistic goals as long as they're managments goals– to come to an agreement. Since I’ve been president, I’ve had the opportunity to review the proposals that each side has made. The pilots’ union has proposed many expensive new contract provisions that simply do not make business sense for our airline. We havn't even gotten to those proposals yet! It’s our hope that we will be able to reach an agreement as quickly as possible that moves this company forward in a responsible way, and allows it to be competitive within the regional airline industry. [/FONT]
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Second, we are operating in a different environment.​
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]With the Delta bankruptcy and our sale to SkyWest, Inc., the entire premise for our business shifted. We no longer enjoy the benefits of being owned by Delta when we could expect to continue our Delta Connection business and continue growing just because of that relationship. Delta’s financial problems have motivated it to demand regional flying that produces acceptable operational results for less compensation. Yeah, you're gonna have to take a paycut, ok? We’re now fighting every day for every piece of our business as lower cost regional carriers redefine the industry. CAN YOU SAY "RACE TO THE BOTTOM".
When SkyWest, Inc. bought ASA, Delta insisted on a new Delta Connection agreement for ASA that is very different from the agreement under which we previously were compensated. Under this new agreement, we must operate within a specific cost framework and meet very specific, challenging operational targets. These Delta-imposed cost limits are non-negotiable, and we have a lot of work ahead of us to ensure we meet these targets. Failing to reach these specific goals [/FONT]could lead to the loss of our agreement with Delta. We want to create a bright future for our company and all ASA employees, but we have to work within the framework of the new Delta Connection agreement. Agreeing to a pilot contract that doesn’t fit inside that financial framework or allow us to reach operational targets would quickly leave us uncompetitive with an uncertain future.
Third, we must be responsible and profitable. How about managment being professional? Many of you have heard that SkyWest, Inc. is profitable. Profits are critical, and we’re hopeful that our parent continues to post strong profits. It is also essential that we be profitable. We cannot look to our parent corporation to finance our existence. We must generate our own profits to reinvest in our company – to reward employees, buy new airplanes, upgrade training programs, purchase new ground equipment, and pay for new technology. Without the financial flexibility to reinvest, we put our company at a distinct competitive disadvantage because we must have profits to finance growth and build a future. So, we must make responsible decisions that will permit us to earn a reasonable profit.
Fourth, open communication will be the key to bringing these negotiations to a close. What communication? we talk, you ignore us. We will do our best to provide ALPA information that will help them make informed, responsible decisions, because it will be the information we want them to think is the right information. Earlier this fall, for instance, we met with our unions to reveal many of the details of our new Delta Connection agreement. We provided members of the ALPA negotiating committee a great deal of information and continue to work with them and their financial analysts to answer their questions about our financial framework. How about you never did any analysis in the first place.
Fifth, patience is a prerequisite in any negotiation. I think 3 yrs of patience is more than F'in enough. Everyone wants the negotiation process to wrap up as quickly as possible, as long as it's what managment wants, but we must work within the process set by the Railway Labor Act. It’s unrealistic to think we will have a contract in place within the next few weeks but we are hopeful we can move the process forward expeditiously and reach a new agreement as quickly as possible. Reaching this goal will not be easy because there are areas of our operation where pilot costs have been allowed to grow beyond the industry average. Examples? Lets seee, some of our pilots havn't even seen a raise in 3 yrs. I think he means that we get paid at all. Cause we should want to do this job for nothing. How can things have grown above industry standard if the industry has mostly shrunk? Oh, we havn't shrunk with it. This is BS. These costs exceed the financial framework of our Delta Connection agreement, and must be addressed in the new pilot contract. CAN YOU SAY PAY CUT? The good news is that if we address our costs, I havn't heard anything about managment costs!!!!, make responsible decisions that benifit managment not taking a paycut, and resolve the operational issues the negotiating committees have been discussing the union agreeing with all of managments proposals, we should be able to generate enough profitability to attract additional growth from Delta that will sustain us into the future. We also will propose a plan to share a portion of those profits with all employees – including ASA pilots. The roadmap we will set forth next week at the negotiation session with ALPA should put us on a path toward reaching an agreement that will allow us to compete in the new environment.
Finally, while we focus on completing a new contract, I ask that you simply continue to do what you do best – which is fly safe and provide outstanding service to our customers.
 
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If you all don't like the reality of the regional airline industry, then get out!!! It is as simple as that. You rely too much on a company making you rich.

If you want mainline pay, go work for mainline!!! If you want Netjets pay, go there!!!

You have valid points, but the bottom line ($$$$) is more important than what you think, period!
 
SFR said:
If you all don't like the reality of the regional airline industry, then get out!!! It is as simple as that. You rely too much on a company making you rich.

If you want mainline pay, go work for mainline!!! If you want Netjets pay, go there!!!

You have valid points, but the bottom line ($$$$) is more important than what you think, period!

That's right, if you don't like it then just quit! After all that is what management does, they just make sure they get compensated well for feeling that way.
 
It's not the regional airline industry we don't like it's the worthless regional airline managment or mainline managment that can't manage an airline.

And I am working to get out as I type. Every day it becomes less and less worth it to watch the backwards slide most the industry is in. I like to race but, not to the bottom. It seems that the labor groups are the ones that get screwed out of their piece of the bottom line.

And who ever said you could get rich at a regional? What are ya, new?
 
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I can't believe he expended the energy to compose that when he could have just taken the Skywest memo from Brad Rich and just changed some words around (and edited out the spelling and grammar errors, of course).
 
LETS STRIKE---WE hold more stake now than we ever HAVE!!! Hear us loud DELTA would be DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANYONE heard of HORIZON they fly pretty much the west coast and make about 5-8 dollars more an hour....uuummmhhhh Yet we are bigger than Airtran, company makes more money than Airtran, Horizon, etc and we are treated like Gulfstream Intl.

Why is the company not looking at what Horizon pays and want their employees to be the best they can be!!!! RIGHT

I am Voting YES on a strike--can work at Wendys as assit magr for 35,000.00

and one more thing about the company and the union, where are the proposals? When you buy a house do you say I will give you a good price, but never say what you want or what you expect. Both sides need to produce a proposal.!!! RUN that APU BURN that MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Assuming you guys have the same load factors we have over here at Horizon, how can it be possible to not make money? We are, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we are at the top of the payscales at the moment. If we make money at those rates, I am sure your company is as well. Maybe they are good at hiding it... Nah, can't be. Management would *never* do that, right? It seems AAG is trying their darndest to hide profits, but can't.
Granted, we don't do much of the "fly-for-hire" thing (only Frontier Jet Express in DEN), but I guess that should actually *benefit* the majors who are paying you, since you only get paid for a certain load factor, and any above that goes directly to DAL, AA, UAL, NWA, or whomever is paying you, right?
Our contract is up for negotiations next fall, and with this "race to the bottom", I am certain our management will use any and all excuses available to justify a paycut, when there is no justification. It'll be interesting, allright.
I feel for you guys at ASA, and I am fully anticipating getting the same kind of message from our CEO when the time comes. Like someone said on an earlier post, the CEOs should simply take the memo from SKW's CEO and use it as a template, replacing SKW with their own airline's name. They all say the same anyway, so why not?
 

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