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ASA Bucket-- I Mean Suckit System

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With this system, SOME senior pilots may bid reserve, because even with the buckets, they have a fairly good chance of not flying much.

Unless you have some sort of "bypass flying" function I do not think this will be true. Everybody on reserve will be flown equally (which will probably be alot....the bean counters know this is the cheapest way to run). Doesn't the new contract ask for PBS? If so total staffing will decrease and so will reserves. See my post above on why. Wish it were not so but based on experience it will be.

Overall the conract is better than Skywest so congratulations on that.

One other thing regarding how managment will further capatalize on the bucket system. I dont know how reserves lines are at asa right now. At Skywest prior to the bucket system there were x number of reserve lines stacked with weekends off, then x number of reserve lines stacked with similar weekdays off. You will find that after the bucket system is in place the days off will be very carefully staggered with very little overlap. I personaly believe they use a computer to figure this out. It makes it so that there are never more than a very small handfull of guys in one bucket at any given time so even if you are senior you end up flying just as much as everyone else (ie normal staffing all reserves fly very close to guarantee, short staffing as you are now = everybody flys for example 90 hours on reserve). I am not a fan of the bucket system. If for whatever reason the vote on this TA doesnt pass, I would push very hard for some additional rules to allow the senior guy to have some advantages (ie bypass function) so that he can fly somewhat less than the jr guys.
 
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The bucket system seems to be partly intended to keep senoir pilots from sitting reserve and never flying only to collect a check. It is an major improvement over what we have now.

I think you might have it backwards. The ability of a senior pilot to bid reserve and not fly is a good thing and something every pilot could look forward to if he didnt mind only making guarantee. I understand you dont have alot of reserve rules right now and it is kind of random but putting rules into place that makes all reserves fly a ton is not a good thing either imho.

Having said that, your contract as a whole is superior to skywest and I would trade for it in an instant.
 
Along with the bucket, there will also be "call me first". They have to call the CMF in seniority order, then the rest in reverse seniority, within the bucket.
 
Along with the bucket, there will also be "call me first". They have to call the CMF in seniority order, then the rest in reverse seniority, within the bucket.


You're not understanding the fact that the bucket system allows the company to operate at a bare minimum reserve compliment, so there will only be one person in each bucket. Say 4 reserves: one in the one day bucket, one in the two day bucket, one in the three day bucket, and one in the four day bucket. And the company gets to decide which bucket they're going to use. Call me first/call me last doesn't mean anything.

But ok, enough of that. You guys have got this figured out. Its better than what you have(on paper only). More power to you. But in 5 or 6 months we'll be back here, and its going to be really hard to resist an I told you so!

Good luck.
 
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You're not understanding the fact that the bucket system allows the company to operate at a bare minimum reserve compliment, so there will only be one person in each bucket. Say 4 reserves: one in the one day bucket, one in the two day bucket, one in the three day bucket, and one in the four day bucket. And the company gets to decide which bucket they're going to use. Call me first/call me last doesn't mean anything.

But ok, enough of that. You guys have got this figured out. Its better than what you have(on paper only). More power to you. But in 5 or 6 months we'll be back here, and its going to be really hard to resist an I told you so!

Good luck.

According to the summary and the CNC guys, as well as the TA on section 13 released by the company awhile back, the bucket merely means skd can't use a reserve with two days left for a four-day trip etc. They still have to use a CMF pilot first, then someone with enough days of reserve duty left to cover the trip before they extend another reserve into a day off. Buckets aren't built by scheduling, but are determined by how many days of reserve a pilot has left before he starts his days off.

I don't know where you work and how you do it, but that's how our TA describes it.
 
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This was posted on a skykwest message board just as the bucket system was being implimented at skywest. Thought the asa guys/gals could gleen something.

OK, I still feel like there are several areas that need to be addressed regarding this new policy. Vacation, Comp. Days, Golden Days, etc are awarded based on adequate staffing of reserves. If there are too few reserves when requesting any of the above you will be given the standard response, “Sorry your (fill in the blank) is denied because we only have X number of reserves.” Chris Able stated the following:

“Minimum reserve staffing is a level that Anita Spencer determines adequate for each domicile. In small domiciles the minimum level may be one reserve, while in SLC that number may be 6. The minimum reserve staffing level will change depending on the time of year or time of month but will generally stay about the same. I will try to publish the minimum reserve staffing numbers on this forum.”

What if Anita says 6 reserves are all that are required in SLC and this never produces adequate coverage to allow approval of the requests mentioned above? Or let’s assume that 6 was an adequate number and for whatever reason this number was not maintained (total EMB reserve staffing dropped to as little as one for an entire month in SLC last year) who is accountable and how can the pilot group be assured that this minimum number will be maintained? Does the SAPA scheduling committee have a way to audit the staffing and determine for the pilot group what an appropriate number of reserves should be? What are the consequences if this number is not maintained? Fortunately we are now seeing a decent staffing but that was not the case for over two years and we all know how fast it could go back to understaffed.

Also, I have been trying to understand the “bucket system” of reserve and reading very closely what everybody has written thus far. I feel like I now see what David Whittaker was talking about referring to this as being a pay cut or another form of “proficiency flying”. This became clear when I called Crew Support to gage how much reserves were flying in Salt Lake over the past couple months. With the use of a helpful Scheduler I learned some interesting things about some of our reserves. This may be pure coincidence but two senior “call first” reserves had accumulated aprox 74 hours of flying and strangely no more flying was being assigned to them. It would also appear more flying was then being awarded to those further down the chain. I don’t want to appear as a conspiracy theorist and I hesitate to call foul play but I am concerned about the implementation of the bucket system.

The way I see it there are several inherent problems with the system as it currently exists. First, the “real time online list” of reserves does a meager job of portraying how personnel really stack up. The name of every person on reserve should be listed, not just the person on reserve checking status. I would almost venture to say that it took more computer code for the programmers to list a persons position in line than it would have to list everybody’s name with him, but I’m not a programmer so I cant be sure. Without these names there is less accountability placed on crew scheduling in my opinion. Also, I see no privacy issues with listing who’s on reserve. It’s not the same as listing someone’s schedule, which could place a persons position.

What’s that saying, knowledge is power? Without knowing who is on reserve during what days it’s hard to track whether seniority is truly being followed. Further, it would seem the “the bucket system” could provide an easy out for a scheduler to use any person at any time they please. All they have to do if questioned regarding an assignment for example is tell you that you had three days available in a row while the 5 people junior to you had only two days available and this is a three day trip. What about the one other junior blank name that shows three days off that you see listed on the computer you say. Well that no name was just being awarded a vacation day in the middle of that week and was no longer going to have three days available. Maybe this scenario is a little far fetched but it illustrates a point. Without hard data (names coupled with R1/R2 awards for the month) and ways to track the callouts there is no accountability and crew support could look for convenient ways to dilute the overall flying. Those looking to maximize their pay will have a hard time doing so, those bidding for “back up status” could end up flying a lot more than their seniority would dictate under the old straight seniority system. OK, this novel is over. Tell me where I am going wrong?
 

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