ASA Bucket-- I Mean Suckit System

[jayme]

Isn't that because you don't have a union?

That was my point.

 

[jayme]

I don't know what being on reserve was like before they changed whatever they changed at skywest without your consent and made it worse, but from what I can see our reserve pilots are far from being thrown under the bus as someone said earlier in this thread.

Cool. Sounds like this isn't a big loss for you guys. It was for us, and we got NOTHING in return for it.

Just to be crystal clear, we got screwed because SAPA let us down, and I don't think ALPA reps would have.

 

[Red Baron 03]

you have to bear in mind that a very vocal minority on this board does not speak for the SkyWest group.

SkyWest could tell us tomorrow that they're going to give us all $10,000, and all we have to do is pick up a check from our CP. Then the usual whiners would scream 'you mean we have to actually go in and pick it up?!!'

SkyNation, I am not endorsing the "bucket system" for skywest pilots or any other pilot group. It seems that for the Skywest pilots the "bucket system" as implemanted on your property is a step back. I can only speak for myself and my perception of our TA as it applies to ASA pilots. My perception is that our reserve section is a step forward for us.

I am sorry if your group has had something good taken away, and your "bucket system" is a step back for your pilot group.

I was only responding to the perception that a 'bucket system" was 'bad" for any pilot group.

Any structure and accountability forced upon our schedulers as it applies to dealing with reserve pilots is a step forward for us. And I am glad I have the ability to have a say in the implementation of our work rules as they apply to all of our pilots. I hope I will never have to go back on reserve but you never know.

 

[ASACAPT]

Guys, please attend the road shows. All of this will be explained in detail. This system is based on the same system that express jet has. There is complete transparency with respect to the buckets, so you will be able to see where you are in the call out list.

 

[Long Time Gone]

please show me where I said the bucket system was FANTASTIC.

Okay, no problem......

I spent a ton of time on reserve as an FO in SLC, our largest base. I made more those months than any other, and I always broke guarantee.

Sounds like FANTASTIC to me. I sure won't clasify that as SUCKY.

 

[SkyNation]

so you turned this....

this isn't an endorsement of the system, merely a clarification.

into my saying it's FANTASTIC? whatever dude.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The bucket system sucks at SkyWest. There is no reserve transparency, no way for non-reserves to find out what bucket reserves are in, and very little info for reserves on the seniority of reserves in various buckets. I did reserve on the old seniority system and it was pretty cool. I will NEVER go on reserve here again due to the bucket system. ZERO accountability for management. Bucket system coupled with PBS means life at SkyWest really sucks for reserves and junior pilots.

Supposedly we're going to have total transparency, where you go online and see how many reserves there are in each bucket, and where you sit.

That's light years ahead of what our reserves have now. A fly/no fly "bid" is taped to the top of a stack of pizzas and delivered to the window on the 7th floor.

 

[John Pennekamp]

you have to bear in mind that a very vocal minority on this board does not speak for the SkyWest group.

But I suppose you do? Bahahahahah!!!! :laugh:

My personal tally indicates that the "unionistas" have you outgunned, there SkyNation. But don't let that stop you from promoting yourself as the voice and conscience of the SkyWest pilots!

 

[Long Time Gone]

so you turned this....



into my saying it's FANTASTIC? whatever dude.

While you may say that your statement isn't an endorsement, by stating how grand it was in your pocket, IS an endorsement.

this isn't an endorsement of the system, merely a clarification.

I spent a ton of time on reserve as an FO in SLC, our largest base. I made more those months than any other, and I always broke guarantee.

No, you didn't directly say it was FANTASTIC, since those were my words of interpretation. You did, however, endorse it by stating how much you made.

It's kind of like voting for the war before you voted against it.:laugh:

 

[Stifler's Mom]

please show me where I said the bucket system was FANTASTIC.

Right here.

The bucket system is FANTASTIC.

 

[BIGGOAT]

The bucket system seems to be partly intended to keep senoir pilots from sitting reserve and never flying only to collect a check. It is an major improvement over what we have now. Our current reserve system does not account for seniority at all. Under the old contract, crew sched. calls whoever they want from the reserve list. After you complete the assignment you usually get extended for what can become a 6 day trip.

Goat

 

[COOPERVANE]

Right here.

Originally Posted by SkyNation
The bucket system is FANTASTIC.

O.K....That's funny as sheeeeeeeite!

 

[enuffalready]

believe me... I know about sheety the scheduling department has been......I have been at ASA for 7 years.

My point is, if they company has to pay someone regardless, why wouldnt they want the senior guy to fly as little as possible... if they fly 3 hours a month.. that pay is just guanantee

why didnt they just make it a fly...no fly... there are plenty of junior guys that actually want to fly and it would cost the company less to let them fly and let me sit at home in the jacuzzi.

seems like the company would have gone for it, since it costs them less. They always biatch about how the senior guys are pulling down the company and that after 5 years you should be gone... so why pay those same guys more when there are plenty of junior guys that would gladly fly for less .....

just doesnt make sense to me...

 

[120% Torque]

believe me... I know about sheety the scheduling department has been......I have been at ASA for 7 years.

My point is, if they company has to pay someone regardless, why wouldnt they want the senior guy to fly as little as possible... if they fly 3 hours a month.. that pay is just guanantee

why didnt they just make it a fly...no fly... there are plenty of junior guys that actually want to fly and it would cost the company less to let them fly and let me sit at home in the jacuzzi.

seems like the company would have gone for it, since it costs them less. They always biatch about how the senior guys are pulling down the company and that after 5 years you should be gone... so why pay those same guys more when there are plenty of junior guys that would gladly fly for less .....

just doesnt make sense to me...

The bucket system will make it equally crappy for all pilots, jr and sr alike. Sr guys will no long be able to bid it and not fly so Sr guys wont bid it anymore. The bucket system will still result in six days of flying because with it in place and pbs they will further reduce the total number of reserves and the reserves that are left will get their butts kicked. Transperancy is nice but if you are always short on reserves and everybody is flying a ton it wont be as meaningful.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The bucket system will make it equally crappy for all pilots, jr and sr alike. Sr guys will no long be able to bid it and not fly so Sr guys wont bid it anymore. The bucket system will still result in six days of flying because with it in place and pbs they will further reduce the total number of reserves and the reserves that are left will get their butts kicked. Transperancy is nice but if you are always short on reserves and everybody is flying a ton it wont be as meaningful.

You don't seem to get it. Right now, we have NO SYSTEM. On reserve at ASA, you are scheduling's bitch. Senior pilots don't bid reserve. Oh, and WE DON'T HAVE PBS!

With this system, SOME senior pilots may bid reserve, because even with the buckets, they have a fairly good chance of not flying much.