ASA: Are the SLC finals or ATL vacancies out yet?

[RJFlyer]

Not entirely true! I used to be based there at a previous job and I think just the opposite! Mormon girls are so oppressed that act out in the most insane fashion! They take things to a whole new level of extremes (drinking, sex, smoking, etc)before they run back to the church after a few years of debauchery. And SLC is not much different than California when it comes to drinks! The "dry" stereotype went out the door a few years ago. Anyone remember the "Bud Garden" Riot during the 2002 Winter Olympics?

Some of you guys really need to learn the meaning of "sarcasm." Since some here apparently don't, I'll explain: I want to go to SLC and hold the best line I can. The individual I was replying to is senior to me. Therefore, it is in my best interest to talk any senior folks into going to the domicile I don't want to go to. Therefore I come up with any silly excuses I can think of (true, not, or made up) to get him/her to change his/her mind about going to SLC. Clear? Sheesh!

Uh, they call them FINALS for a reason. Once you get it its final. it depends which seat he is on now, but he would have to bid back over, BUT you cant go anywhere else (as in another airplane) on the F/O side, only to Capt on another aircraft. The contract states that you can swap seats only when changing domicles

Uh, FINALS doesn't mean you're stuck anywhere forever. Since there are now 200 openings each for CA and FO in ATL, those who received the final for SLC can still bid to ATL, they just won't be displaced and have their move paid by the company. The only thing you said that makes sense is this: "The contract states that you can swap seats only when changing domicles." This is exactly what I said. Last time I checked, ATL and SLC were different domiciles.

Becarefull of all SLC insults from pilots who want you to bid over to ATL so they can take your seat. LOL

Zip it, you're ruining my plan!! ;-)

 

[bailout]

>>Originally Posted by bailout
Uh, they call them FINALS for a reason. Once you get it its final. it depends which seat he is on now, but he would have to bid back over, BUT you cant go anywhere else (as in another airplane) on the F/O side, only to Capt on another aircraft. The contract states that you can swap seats only when changing domicles
Uh, FINALS doesn't mean you're stuck anywhere forever. Since there are now 200 openings each for CA and FO in ATL, those who received the final for SLC can still bid to ATL, they just won't be displaced and have their move paid by the company. The only thing you said that makes sense is this: "The contract states that you can swap seats only when changing domicles." This is exactly what I said. Last time I checked, ATL and SLC were different domiciles.<<


Were saying the same thing, but with a few fine points.. I didnt mean the Finals are 'forever'.. Of course you can bid somewhere else. BUT, lets say you got the SLC 70 F/O award, then the company will not allow you to go backwards for a ATL 50 F/O slot regardless if you can hold it. Of course you can go to ATL on the 70.

 

[49W]

Yeah, you can't go back if you bid off the seat from what I understand. If you were a 50 seat FO and bid and was awarded the 70 seat FO, you could not go back to the right seat of the 50. If you were never on the right seat of the 50, you could bid it, however.

 

[General Lee]

The Skycaps at the SLC airport are mostly blonde babes.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[601Pilot]

Seat Swap

Yeah, you can't go back if you bid off the seat from what I understand. If you were a 50 seat FO and bid and was awarded the 70 seat FO, you could not go back to the right seat of the 50. If you were never on the right seat of the 50, you could bid it, however.

Not necessarily true. Brian Morris can allow you to bid back to the 50 from the 70 if he wants. It is just not traditionally done or desired by most.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I don't like the sound of that.

 

[RJFlyer]

Were saying the same thing, but with a few fine points.. I didnt mean the Finals are 'forever'.. Of course you can bid somewhere else. BUT, lets say you got the SLC 70 F/O award, then the company will not allow you to go backwards for a ATL 50 F/O slot regardless if you can hold it. Of course you can go to ATL on the 70.

Provided you're not within 15 days of training (=freeze), you can bid and be awarded any opening your seniority will hold. Here's the language (Sec 24, Filling of Vacancies):

Awarding Positions

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1. The awarding of vacancies and/or reductions will be determined as follows from the Bid Preference Forms on file at the time of the closing, using seniority or inverse seniority order as applicable, so that when the process is complete, all pilots will be in the most senior position on their Bid Preference Form that they can hold consistent with the provisions of this Section:​

a. If there are only position vacancies, they shall be awarded in seniority order (both posted and resultant).​

b. If there are only position reductions, they shall be awarded in inverse order of seniority (both posted and resultant).​

c. If there are position vacancies and position reductions, then all position vacancies (both posted and resultant) shall be awarded first in seniority order, then, if any position reductions are still indicated, they shall be awarded in inverse order of seniority (both posted and resultant).​

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There is nothing in the section about getting one award then not being able to change for another. There is a part that reads that "the Company may bypass a first officer for a position in the same status" and for Captains they "may bypass a Captain bidding for a category with a lower hourly rate of pay at the same domicile. A Captain who is awarded a bid to a permanent position at another domicile and with a lower rate of pay will be frozen in that position for twelve (12) months unless such freeze is waived by the Company."​

Neither of these really applies to this situation. Since the finals came out, a new position notice came out with vacancies in ATL. Anyone in the system can bid on those vacancies provided they're not within 15 days of training. Although I suppose an ATL CR7 FO who is currently seat frozen and bid SLC CR7 FO could have a problem bidding back to ATL on the CR2.​

Of course, our contract seems to be reinterpreted by the company on a daily basis, so what they'll actually do is anybody's guess.​