Which CP or MGMT guru are you Capt. Snitch?
THE ABSOLUTE BEST RESPONSE TO SOMEONE'S ARGUMENT I'VE EVER SEEN!
BRAVO AV8TOR4239!!!
I guess it's true that George and Johns good ole boy network in place at ASA for so many years ( and still remaining mostly intact here today) has been an effective way to neuter the pilot group. .."Let's scare the hell out of them, tell them they are worthless and intimidate them with the threat of getting fired if they call in sick"....
Captain S. - Do you pay the full price you see on the window of a car at the dealership- or do you try to negotiate and haggle the sales guy down to a better price? If you like paying full price and know some other senior Captains who also like to , let us know and I will start supplementing my strike fund with some car sales on the side!!! I'm not trying to offend as much as make a point.
Isn't a trade something like basketweaving, or leather-work, or operating machinery in a factory? I don't think that basketweavers have a six month pro-check in which their career is on the line, and a pissed-off autoworker can put as many beer cans in the door cavity of a new car on the assembly line as he can drink without usually killing too many people. I'm beginning to think Capt. S. is someone at the G.O. with too much time on his hands that just wants to get us worked up.
I went to one of the best business schools in the nation, and don't buy into all of the company BS. They can afford to waste tremendous amounts of money on an annual basis on things like departure coordinators, (who you can never find) -why were they not necessary at any other airport in the nation? DFW worked great without them. "Let's make a system that already works poorly even less efficient by adding an extra step that costs us more money "... Caterering (who under operation "Clockwork Orange" no longer have to actually cater the aircraft unless the flight is over 2 hours - around 15% of the flights), and numerous other ways. We have more middle management than any other regional in the nation- you think that doesn't cost alot of money on an annual basis? The management solution here has never been to analyze and fix the actual problem, its "create new positions and staff another department with a bunch of people with no education". COPY DAT.
According to last weeks Wall Street Journal article ASA has ~ 800 flights a day and ~ 6000 employees, Comair has 1100 flights a day and 6200 employees, and Skywest 1500 flights a day and 6200 employees. On paper, that means Skywest is close to TWICE as efficient on an employee basis. (And they are for the most part happy also!)
I worked in restaurants at night for all of my college years, and the restaurant management was much more organized, efficient and professional at an entry level (waiting tables) job than ours has been during my stay here. The things that management is really good at here seem to be tracking job attendance, measuring the length of a female pilots hair or trying to figure out if your wings are spaced exactly 1/2 inch above your name plate on your shirt. The only REALLY professional department we have in the company is the training department. (No, I am not one of them). I believe we have one of the very best training departments that exist, period.
I find it incredible to think that I was treated better as a $2/hr employee than I am now as a captain with the level of responsibility we have. It was really fun learning to fly ten years ago (spending over $20K) to make no more than $34k a year for the last decade. I wouldn't have stuck it out here for so long if I thought there wasn't some light at the end of the tunnel, but we can't keep paying pilots the kind of wages that we do after their probationary year and expect people to be happy and compensated fairly.
I probably wouldn't care about these issues if I had come in here and upgraded in six months like people used to and was already off at Fed-Ex, SWST, etc., by now. From a purely financial standpoint, I believe I have been told that the "breakeven point" at which ASA would like to see you leave as a pilot is at year seven. Beyond year seven you are costing them more money than they want to spend. They don't want to reward the people like Capt. S, who have busted their A%& for the company for the last 15+ years and really deserve the pay. Its just easier to use that money for other departments, managers, departure coordinators, or to spend $300,000 a year on shiny new full-color brochures and a plastic badge we can hang around our necks showing pictures of a beautiful, happy (Skywest?) FA and a senior PIC helping a little old lady up the steps of a 70-seater.
DON'T FORGET- tug drivers always have "rigt of wauy" over aircraft in ATL.
av8tor4239 said:
THE ABSOLUTE BEST RESPONSE TO SOMEONE'S ARGUMENT I'VE EVER SEEN!
BRAVO AV8TOR4239!!!
I guess it's true that George and Johns good ole boy network in place at ASA for so many years ( and still remaining mostly intact here today) has been an effective way to neuter the pilot group. .."Let's scare the hell out of them, tell them they are worthless and intimidate them with the threat of getting fired if they call in sick"....
Captain S. - Do you pay the full price you see on the window of a car at the dealership- or do you try to negotiate and haggle the sales guy down to a better price? If you like paying full price and know some other senior Captains who also like to , let us know and I will start supplementing my strike fund with some car sales on the side!!! I'm not trying to offend as much as make a point.
Isn't a trade something like basketweaving, or leather-work, or operating machinery in a factory? I don't think that basketweavers have a six month pro-check in which their career is on the line, and a pissed-off autoworker can put as many beer cans in the door cavity of a new car on the assembly line as he can drink without usually killing too many people. I'm beginning to think Capt. S. is someone at the G.O. with too much time on his hands that just wants to get us worked up.
I went to one of the best business schools in the nation, and don't buy into all of the company BS. They can afford to waste tremendous amounts of money on an annual basis on things like departure coordinators, (who you can never find) -why were they not necessary at any other airport in the nation? DFW worked great without them. "Let's make a system that already works poorly even less efficient by adding an extra step that costs us more money "... Caterering (who under operation "Clockwork Orange" no longer have to actually cater the aircraft unless the flight is over 2 hours - around 15% of the flights), and numerous other ways. We have more middle management than any other regional in the nation- you think that doesn't cost alot of money on an annual basis? The management solution here has never been to analyze and fix the actual problem, its "create new positions and staff another department with a bunch of people with no education". COPY DAT.
According to last weeks Wall Street Journal article ASA has ~ 800 flights a day and ~ 6000 employees, Comair has 1100 flights a day and 6200 employees, and Skywest 1500 flights a day and 6200 employees. On paper, that means Skywest is close to TWICE as efficient on an employee basis. (And they are for the most part happy also!)
I worked in restaurants at night for all of my college years, and the restaurant management was much more organized, efficient and professional at an entry level (waiting tables) job than ours has been during my stay here. The things that management is really good at here seem to be tracking job attendance, measuring the length of a female pilots hair or trying to figure out if your wings are spaced exactly 1/2 inch above your name plate on your shirt. The only REALLY professional department we have in the company is the training department. (No, I am not one of them). I believe we have one of the very best training departments that exist, period.
I find it incredible to think that I was treated better as a $2/hr employee than I am now as a captain with the level of responsibility we have. It was really fun learning to fly ten years ago (spending over $20K) to make no more than $34k a year for the last decade. I wouldn't have stuck it out here for so long if I thought there wasn't some light at the end of the tunnel, but we can't keep paying pilots the kind of wages that we do after their probationary year and expect people to be happy and compensated fairly.
I probably wouldn't care about these issues if I had come in here and upgraded in six months like people used to and was already off at Fed-Ex, SWST, etc., by now. From a purely financial standpoint, I believe I have been told that the "breakeven point" at which ASA would like to see you leave as a pilot is at year seven. Beyond year seven you are costing them more money than they want to spend. They don't want to reward the people like Capt. S, who have busted their A%& for the company for the last 15+ years and really deserve the pay. Its just easier to use that money for other departments, managers, departure coordinators, or to spend $300,000 a year on shiny new full-color brochures and a plastic badge we can hang around our necks showing pictures of a beautiful, happy (Skywest?) FA and a senior PIC helping a little old lady up the steps of a 70-seater.
DON'T FORGET- tug drivers always have "rigt of wauy" over aircraft in ATL.
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