ASA and glass time?

[QuasarZ]

I got the call from ASA today and they said I need some glass time. Do you know if a 172 with the G1000 would work as the glass time or does it need to be some jet course? I would'nt mind going out and flying a 172 around, but I am not paying for a jet class!!

Thanks

 

[N1VIBS]

Not sure, but the "glass" 172 might be OK. I know we get a lot of people from a school in Peachtree City GA that uses the Cirrus ( I think thats what it is) and they count that as glass time. Call back the person you talked to and ask.

 

[jeroom]

How much time single and multi do you have?
a G1000 is glass and should work...
I never got any jet training class prior to get hired there.

 

[flyf15]

ASA is telling people they need "glass" time? Why is that?

Its got to be that you are really really low time and they need it to justify hiring you (and maybe their insurance is requiring it), that they're getting a kick-back from "glass cockpit training" providers, or.... who knows.


People seem to forget that just a few short years ago, glass in general aviation planes was essentially nonexistant.

 

[shamrock]

They can't seem to fill new-hire classes yet they still want you to have glass time. That's funny.

 

[Max Q]

I'm not sure what you mean by filling new hire classes but they have been doing about 25-35 a month consistently for quite a while now.

Your interview includes a full motion level D CRJ-700 sim so they are probably telling you so they don’t waste their time on somebody who is low time and has zero experience with ticker tape. Dude, just use FS2004 with an RJ (get use to the trend vector) or go and pay $150-$200 an hour for G1000/Avidyne time. Or just go out and build more real world experience. :lol:

Typically, people who are higher total time and zero ticker tape experience do well enough on the sim. Somebody with low everything is going to eat it.

-Brett

 

[PCL_128]

Not sure, but the "glass" 172 might be OK. I know we get a lot of people from a school in Peachtree City GA that uses the Cirrus ( I think thats what it is) and they count that as glass time. Call back the person you talked to and ask.

The place in Peachtree City uses Diamond aircraft with the G1000 system installed. More advanced than the glass on either the CRJ or the 717. Definitely a nice setup, but they charge something like $165/hr for it. They wanted me to do a minimum of a 10 hour checkout before they'd let me rent it (despite the fact that I've got over 3500 hours in "glass" airplanes ), so I told them to take a hike. There's another place on the north side of town at PDK that has Cirrus airplane with the glass setup, but they charge a ridiculous fee also with a 10 hour checkout.

 

[wms]

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[rumrnr78]

If wms is your instructor, be up on your Seinfeld quotes .
Jackie Chiles says, "Glass cockpit? Who told you glass time? Pushing the speaker phone,
"Linda, make an appointment with wms, tell him it's for me"

rum

 

[Beech Balls]

Umm....people....the whole point of a glass cockpit is to make it EASIER to fly on the 'gauges'....not harder. Asking pilots for Glass Time is pure BULL********************.

I'd rather have a hand-flying old-school freight-dog sitting next to me than some RJ goober with 1000hrs of 'glass time'....

 

[Beech Balls]

Umm....people....the whole point of a glass cockpit is to make it EASIER to fly on the 'gauges'....not harder. Asking pilots for Glass Time is pure BULL********************.

I'd rather have a hand-flying old-school freight-dog sitting next to me than some RJ goober with 1000hrs of 'glass time'....

No offense now....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Great.... "glass time"...... Forget about experience and cross wind landing ability.....

I guess we are hiring button pushers instead of aviators.....

 

[Dharmesh1231]

Great.... "glass time"...... Forget about experience and cross wind landing ability.....

I guess we are hiring button pushers instead of aviators.....

You are absolutely right. That's the changing face of aviation now....It's like getting an MPL instead of a traditional pvt, inst, comm. God help these new kids coming into aviation.

 

[QuasarZ]

I agree with the above posts, it is total BS. There is no way I am going out to buy a "jet course" just to get the job, that is what ground school and training is for.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

There's a pilot surplus now. Airlines can be "picky" again. :bomb:

 

[Beergut]

I got the call from ASA today and they said I need some glass time. Do you know if a 172 with the G1000 would work as the glass time or does it need to be some jet course? I would'nt mind going out and flying a 172 around, but I am not paying for a jet class!!

Thanks

Lately I thought the only glass you had to worry about to get hired at ASA was the mirror they hold under your nose to see if it fogs up.

 

[wms]

If wms is your instructor, be up on your Seinfeld quotes .
Jackie Chiles says, "Glass cockpit? Who told you glass time? Pushing the speaker phone,
"Linda, make an appointment with wms, tell him it's for me"

rum

Come on! You know I always wanted to pretend I was an architect!

 

[dueguard1]

Jeez Asa Still Asking For That Glass Time Nonsense As Hard As It Is For Anyone To Staff Properly...

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Ooh. Glass Cockpit. Sounds very 1990.

 

[av8tor4239]

10 Hours In A C172 G1000........ $4000

Intrest Owed After Putting $4000 On Your Credit Card..... $3000

Being Assigned The Atr In Newhire Class After All That..... Priceless!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

10 Hours In A C172 G1000........ $4000

Intrest Owed After Putting $4000 On Your Credit Card..... $3000

Being Assigned The Atr In Newhire Class After All That..... Priceless!

Complaining to the Director of Operations you are young, hip, and should be flying a jet.....


How much for that?

 

[PositionandHold]

10 Hours In A C172 G1000........ $4000

Intrest Owed After Putting $4000 On Your Credit Card..... $3000

Being Assigned The Atr In Newhire Class After All That..... Priceless!

That is priceless.

I wasn't exactly happy about getting the ATR, but it wasn't because of the airplane--it's one of the more superior turboprops around and actually a joy to fly--it was because of the routes (Macon, GA 5 times a day, anyone?) and the fact that ASA is getting rid of the plane soon, which would force me to go through groundschool all over again just to be an F/O again.

But whatever. 2 years ago, I'd have been lucky to get on anywhere with 1,000 hours.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Complaining to the Director of Operations you are young, hip, and should be flying a jet.....


How much for that?

On top of that, he can't fly and he can't talk on the radio.... I wouldn't solo him in a 152.....

This "entitlement" attitude of people who can't fly has to stop.....

 

[John Pennekamp]

That is priceless.

I wasn't exactly happy about getting the ATR, but it wasn't because of the airplane--it's one of the more superior turboprops around and actually a joy to fly--it was because of the routes (Macon, GA 5 times a day, anyone?) and the fact that ASA is getting rid of the plane soon, which would force me to go through groundschool all over again just to be an F/O again.

But whatever. 2 years ago, I'd have been lucky to get on anywhere with 1,000 hours.

If you need help figuring out how to bid the jet, find me in the crew lounge, and I'll show you. You'll love going to Des Moines, Iowa 5 times a day. Oooh, and that 33 hour Omaha overnight on the weekends. Yee-haw!

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my overnights in Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach every week. Even if it took me 6 legs and 12 hours to get there. The bars are open late and the beach is open early.

 

[labbats]

If you need help figuring out how to bid the jet, find me in the crew lounge, and I'll show you. You'll love going to Des Moines, Iowa 5 times a day. Oooh, and that 33 hour Omaha overnight on the weekends. Yee-haw!

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my overnights in Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach every week. Even if it took me 6 legs and 12 hours to get there. The bars are open late and the beach is open early.

Downtown Omaha for 33 hours actually sounds pretty cool. We stay downtown at the Hilton Gardens and can walk anywhere. Where does ASA stay?

 

[CFI2766]

If you need help figuring out how to bid the jet, find me in the crew lounge, and I'll show you. You'll love going to Des Moines, Iowa 5 times a day. Oooh, and that 33 hour Omaha overnight on the weekends. Yee-haw!

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my overnights in Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach every week. Even if it took me 6 legs and 12 hours to get there. The bars are open late and the beach is open early.

I've found a good bar within walking distance of the Palace Westin. It's about a 10 minute walk south on the beach, but well worth it. Ask me for details, but let's just say the the bartender now LOVES ATR crews.

 

[CFI2766]

I got the call from ASA today and they said I need some glass time. Do you know if a 172 with the G1000 would work as the glass time or does it need to be some jet course? I would'nt mind going out and flying a 172 around, but I am not paying for a jet class!!

Thanks

Yes, the G1000 or the Cirrus Avidyne system would suffice. FWIW, I don't think it's a requirement. However, it does lower your tt minimums that they want to see before they will interview you.

I had 500 hours of the Cirrus version of glass time and nearly 400 hours of G1000 time when I went through the interview process in the summer of '06. I spent maybe 30 seconds on MEI/Multi-Engine stuff and easily 30 minutes on Cirrus stuff during the interview. The interviewers were a LOT more interested in the glass time than the multi time.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I've found a good bar within walking distance of the Palace Westin. It's about a 10 minute walk south on the beach, but well worth it. Ask me for details, but let's just say the the bartender now LOVES ATR crews.

You mean the tiki bar? I went there the first week we went to HHI.

 

[CAVOK69]

You are absolutely right. That's the changing face of aviation now....It's like getting an MPL instead of a traditional pvt, inst, comm. God help these new kids coming into aviation.

At what point do you stop pretending as if his ratings were just handed to him? Does the fact that some of the newer, low time pilots jump from a 172 to an RJ make you angry? If I had the opportunity to go to an RJ at 300 hours I would have jumped on it. Sadly, I did not. I just think a little faith in the future of aviation would be appreciated. It is up to you regional captains to make sure these green FO's become the Aviators they should be. It may not be what you want to do, but when the company puts an FO with less than 1000 hours in the cockpit, there is no way around it.

 

[CFI2766]

You mean the tiki bar? I went there the first week we went to HHI.

No, the tiki bar is closed for the season.

http://www.kingswharf.com/

This is more of an indoor, traditional bar. There is a restaurant attached with much more attractive prices than the Palace Westin. It is part of the same complex, however.