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jegermeister

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Which group are you in?
1. Management is playing games, we're getting retro pay!
2. I'm outta here ASAP.
3. I'm too senior/old to leave, I'm just going to see what happens.

The way I see it we're sinking. Many have and continue to believe that this is part of contract negotiations. Wake up. That argument may have held some truth prior to our sale to SkyWest, but it no longer does. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture of where ASA plays any importance. At one time our service in DFW and ATL were key to Delta's operations. It's no more. At one time we were considered an asset based upon the price they bought us for and the money invested in operations. That's no longer true.

Many of us point to BL for our operational problems. Some may say it was Skip or even George and John. It doesn't matter. In the past I believe it was cost vs benefit management. Now it is providing leverage for Delta and SkyWest.
Brian is running this airline exactly the way he's been instructed to do. All the improvements in ATL are for Delta operations not ASA!

We were sold to SkyWest for the value of our assets (gates, planes, etc.) Jerry has seen a great return on his investment but I don't think he ever intended to keep us. There is the union issue, the company culture, etc. I thought he had planned to shrink then integrate us with SkyWest, but I've given up on that idea.

So where does all this leave ASA? We are Delta's leverage to reduce the cost of their RJ flying. We are disposable. Look at where we have been and you can see where we will be.
1. DFW, SLC, LAX gone
2. ATR's to go no replacements
3. 5th year of contract negotiations
4. ATL ramp operations gone
5. Transfer of 900 order to SkyWest
6. Loss of ATL flying to contract carriers

We will be a smaller airline in the years to come. Will ASA cease to exist? I suspect it will not. Assets will continue to be transferred until we are no longer a threat the ATL operations. Then it will be an issue of how well we do on this contract. If we do too well it will be easy for SkyWest/Delta to liquidate the company to further their cost cutting campaign. Don't believe me? Ask a prior pilot of CCAir, Allegheny, Peidmont, Mesaba, Comair....

Can we do anything? Not much. The game is well in play and we are just a pawn. The only hope I can see, is to open up a constructive dialogue with Jerry Atkin.
 
Fact is though. The only way that we would save this sorry place is to become cheaper than Mesa by a long shot. That will not happen. I say run well you can.
 
Seen the extra SKW 90's in ATL? They are even on B gates now!

New hires: I hope you are reading all this on here. There are much better places to be. Good luck.
 
Which group are you in?
1. Management is playing games, we're getting retro pay!
2. I'm outta here ASAP.
3. I'm too senior/old to leave, I'm just going to see what happens.

The way I see it we're sinking. Many have and continue to believe that this is part of contract negotiations. Wake up. That argument may have held some truth prior to our sale to SkyWest, but it no longer does. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture of where ASA plays any importance. At one time our service in DFW and ATL were key to Delta's operations. It's no more. At one time we were considered an asset based upon the price they bought us for and the money invested in operations. That's no longer true.

Many of us point to BL for our operational problems. Some may say it was Skip or even George and John. It doesn't matter. In the past I believe it was cost vs benefit management. Now it is providing leverage for Delta and SkyWest.
Brian is running this airline exactly the way he's been instructed to do. All the improvements in ATL are for Delta operations not ASA!

We were sold to SkyWest for the value of our assets (gates, planes, etc.) Jerry has seen a great return on his investment but I don't think he ever intended to keep us. There is the union issue, the company culture, etc. I thought he had planned to shrink then integrate us with SkyWest, but I've given up on that idea.

So where does all this leave ASA? We are Delta's leverage to reduce the cost of their RJ flying. We are disposable. Look at where we have been and you can see where we will be.
1. DFW, SLC, LAX gone
2. ATR's to go no replacements
3. 5th year of contract negotiations
4. ATL ramp operations gone
5. Transfer of 900 order to SkyWest
6. Loss of ATL flying to contract carriers

We will be a smaller airline in the years to come. Will ASA cease to exist? I suspect it will not. Assets will continue to be transferred until we are no longer a threat the ATL operations. Then it will be an issue of how well we do on this contract. If we do too well it will be easy for SkyWest/Delta to liquidate the company to further their cost cutting campaign. Don't believe me? Ask a prior pilot of CCAir, Allegheny, Peidmont, Mesaba, Comair....

Can we do anything? Not much. The game is well in play and we are just a pawn. The only hope I can see, is to open up a constructive dialogue with Jerry Atkin.

Do you recall that BL was put on notice by JA to fix ASA? If he didn't he was out. And didn't the SKYW Airlines Pres. step down in the last week or so? And do you think that JA would take a chance loosing the ASA flying?

Timing is everything.

As for ASA closing. Bring it on. The problems that we have are out of the pilots' control.

I'll take the layoff and get the state to pay for retraining me for a different job.
 
It is simply amazing the career wreckage the good ship aviation leaves in its wake. If Drew Bedson had remained a line pilot instead of going into management the guy would have a mid eighties date of hire at Delta due to the Pan Am pilots doing the right thing and putting Ransome guys on their list. Now Bedson's fleet...

"Includes [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif]Cessna 172's for our basic VFR and IFR training. Piper Arrows are used for complex aircraft training. Grob 109 motor gliders, and Piper Seminole multi-engine aircraft."[/FONT]

Hell, I'm not knocking the guy. The 1,800 remaining pilots of ASA may be joining him before long. I'm impressed, given his stock in trade was bull effluvia, that some college bought it and he has a cush job. May tenure offer him the security none of us have attained.
 
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Where did he end up? do they still show his video in recurrent? I'm usually asleep during the videos.
 
Do you recall that BL was put on notice by JA to fix ASA? If he didn't he was out. And didn't the SKYW Airlines Pres. step down in the last week or so? And do you think that JA would take a chance loosing the ASA flying?

Timing is everything.

As for ASA closing. Bring it on. The problems that we have are out of the pilots' control.

I'll take the layoff and get the state to pay for retraining me for a different job.

Well said!
 
Do you recall that BL was put on notice by JA to fix ASA? If he didn't he was out. And didn't the SKYW Airlines Pres. step down in the last week or so? And do you think that JA would take a chance loosing the ASA flying?

Timing is everything.

As for ASA closing. Bring it on. The problems that we have are out of the pilots' control.

I'll take the layoff and get the state to pay for retraining me for a different job.


The senior folks at Allegheny were singing the same tune. You know the standard ... burn it down, full pay to the last day, .........

The funny part was that they were the ones in the in the end to vote for the jets for jobs TA. WHY? Because it's easy to use the bottom half of the seniority list as a shield. When the bottom half of the company was gone and their retirements were on the table, they gladly signed up for a 9.5% pay cut.

Am I saying were all going to die? No. But to act as if this contract is coming out of the standard management play book is crazy. We are part of something much larger than ASA and Delta and ALPA know it.

If you'd like to be a marter, keep wearing your blinders. Otherwise start looking at the bigger picture.
 

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