ASA 4 hours from push to T/O

[ILS8L]

Who??

ATL-GRR scheduled block 1:56
ATL-GRR actual block 4:09

4-5 planes pulled out of the de-ice line and did a tactile check. They determined that their a/c were clean and departed.
Goat

Who did the tactile check? Are you saying the crew got out and did this?

 

[wms]

Wait a minute.... I thought our seats were "Delta seats".... Do they not understand that the passengers in "our" planes are "their" passengers....

Oh well... just tell the passengers that Delta doesn't care about them......

I include that in every PA in so many words. Every delay, every wait for a gate, every late bag or pax miscount includes the phrase Delta ramp agents, Delta operations, Delta bag handlers or Delta gate agents in some subtle way.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I include that in every PA in so many words. Every delay, every wait for a gate, every late bag or pax miscount includes the phrase Delta ramp agents, Delta operations, Delta bag handlers or Delta gate agents in some subtle way.

See? We can agree on some things!

:beer:

 

[Airboss]

Who did the tactile check? Are you saying the crew got out and did this?

A few airplanes taxied onto Ramp 5 north. The FO got out and performed a tactile check. They found no contaminants and they launched.

 

[Eggplant]

It's going to be even more fun today...let's see how bad DELTA screws up today!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Delta and the city should be prepared for better de-ice scenarios than just 3-4 planes an hour with 50 planes waiting in line. If delta is going to kick rj's out of line for the de-ice pad, then delta should be paying for hotels for everyone on the those planes, because it was DELTA that decided to cancel it. True, this doesn't happen often in atlanta, but how hard is it to honestly to not see this coming. I emphasis Delta, because they control all passenger handling, baggage handling, ramp ops, de-icing (for delta branded flights) and if they really want to have the smug attitude that they're better than DCI carriers, then they should start acting like it.

 

[ILS8L]

5 minutes is all you get ..

A few airplanes taxied onto Ramp 5 north. The FO got out and performed a tactile check. They found no contaminants and they launched.

From the time the FO touched the wing the clock starts. You're telling me that you were able to get back in the aircraft, taxi out and takeoff within 5 minutes .... not in the ATL that I know. Asking for a lot of trouble if something ... no, anything goes wrong. I wouldn't do it. Good luck to you, be safe.

The more I think about this the more I realize that these crews really are on a slippery slope. You are describing a portion of the “pre-takeoff contamination check”. Which by definition is done when the holdover time has been exceeded. They never did deice/anti-ice so no holdover time was ever established. Further I don’t think that it is an acceptable argument in this case to use a “representative surface” because the whole of the aircraft and the critical surfaces where never inspected as they would have been during the deice operation.

 

[Airboss]

From the time the FO touched the wing the clock starts. You're telling me that you were able to get back in the aircraft, taxi out and takeoff within 5 minutes .... not in the ATL that I know. Asking for a lot of trouble if something ... no, anything goes wrong. I wouldn't do it. Good luck to you, be safe.

The more I think about this the more I realize that these crews really are on a slippery slope. You are describing a portion of the “pre-takeoff contamination check”. Which by definition is done when the holdover time has been exceeded. They never did deice/anti-ice so no holdover time was ever established. Further I don’t think that it is an acceptable argument in this case to use a “representative surface” because the whole of the aircraft and the critical surfaces where never inspected as they would have been during the deice operation.

At this time the weather was 0 C and light rain (from ATIS). Nothing was sticking to the airplane by 10pm when this scenario happened. This late at night every third airplane was launching without deicing.

 

[10nCLR]

We taxied out and drove around for 3.5 hrs and never even got to leave the RAMP!!! Line for de-ice was 50 planes deep and they wer finishing 3-4 planes per hour. Then Delta declared they weren't going to de-ice any more RJ's...their planes took precedence. Oh well...back to the gate

I de-iced and anti-iced a plane in 7 minutes, granted I was in an open bucket with minus 10 temps with a gentle northly breeze and one damn good driver, but please. Put the rjs in one line and have 2*2 (de-ice & anti-ice) trucks run a car wash. Then utilize the other trucks for mainline. How fricken simple is that? Well, not really. Considering it's Delta at their largest hub and it rarely snows in Hotlanta. I would love to get paid to sit back and drink hot cocoa in a warm enclosed bucket with 2 joysticks while aiming and shooting hot Kool-Aid on the wings of an airplane. I always liked to point and spray at a window when a little kid looked out at me. Priceless.

 

[14RF SUX]

I did the DAY flight. What an abortion. 5.5 block.

14RF SUX