Article on JBLUE 190pay

[MW44]

One article on how the 190 rates could influence the industry. Who would have thought that regional pilots would have to worry about being underbid by a mainline carrier?


Exclusive to Commuter/Regional Airline News: 'Regional Pilot Pay Scales Pressured By JetBlue Rates'


July 19, 2004 - The pay scales for regional airline pilots face sharp declines now that JetBlue Airways has disclosed it will pay its pilots less to fly larger planes, Commuter/Regional Airline News reveals in an exclusive report in the July 19 issue.

JetBlue’s pay scale for pilots flying its new Embraer 190 fleet will be much lower on a per seat basis than what regional carriers now pay their pilots to fly smaller planes, according to the analysis.

JetBlue is bucking the long-standing trend in pilot pay scales — that larger planes always equal larger paychecks.

JetBlue will pay a three-year captain $74 an hour to fly the 100-seat jet, or 74 cents per seat. By comparison, Horizon Air pays a three-year captain about $72 an hour to fly a 70-seat jet, or $1.03 per seat, a difference of 29 cents, according to the detailed analysis in Commuter/Regional Airline News.

The JetBlue pay scale “certainly raises eyebrows” and “will make the competition that much more vicious,” Claude Sullivan, an airline labor attorney with the Atlanta law firm of Ford & Harrison, tells the publication in an exclusive interview.

Commuter/Regional Airline News reports that regional pilots may be forced to accept lower pay rates when their contracts become amendable.

“JetBlue’s 100-seat pay scale poses an obvious threat to prevailing 50- and 70-seat rates,” said Jamie Baker, an analyst with JP Morgan.

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A detailed comparison and analysis of regional pilots’ pay scales and those of JetBlue pilots is published in the July 19 issue of Commuter/Regional Airline News, the industry’s leading source for news and analysis of the global regional airline marketplace. Don’t miss another exciting and informative issue. Sign up now for a free four-week trial subscription to Commuter/Regional Airline News at http://www.aviationtoday.com/cgi/catalog/info?CRAN.

 

[wndshr]

i thought that the rates were 74/hr for the first 70 hours...then like 111/hr for anything over 70 hours...so about $82k a year w/o per diem per year for lineholder @ 85 hours...i may be wrong, but i thought someone had access to the #'s...

 

[MW44]

I think they were comparing just the guaranteed hourly rates not how much you could concievably make at each airline if you worked extra.

 

[8vATE]

i thought that the rates were 74/hr for the first 70 hours...then like 111/hr for anything over 70 hours...so about $82k a year w/o per diem per year for lineholder @ 85 hours...i may be wrong, but i thought someone had access to the #'s...

JetBlue
Year 1 EMB190 Captain $78,488/yr
Year 3 EMB 190 Captain $82,063/yr

Year 5 A320 Captain $133,966/yr

Year 1 EMB F/O $41,181/yr

thats an 85 hour month

 

[nimtz]

JetBlue
Year 1 EMB190 Captain $78,488/yr
Year 3 EMB 190 Captain $82,063/yr


Year 1 EMB F/O $41,181/yr

thats an 85 hour month

Can we compare those 190 numbers to an Airtran 717 guy? Any Citrus guys care to crunch those numbers? 717 ain't that much bigger then a 190...

 

[80drvr]

Can we compare those 190 numbers to an Airtran 717 guy? Any Citrus guys care to crunch those numbers? 717 ain't that much bigger then a 190...

It's already been done in previous Jet Blue E-190 threads. Info for comparison is available at www.airlinepilotpay.com.

 

[RichardFitzwell]

With these pay rates maybe jetBlue discussions should take place on the "Regionals" board. They are defining themselves as a regional airline with some Airbuses.

 

[surplus1]

With these pay rates maybe jetBlue discussions should take place on the "Regionals" board. They are defining themselves as a regional airline with some Airbuses.

When were they defined as something else? Did I miss that?

 

[jetblue320]

When were they defined as something else? Did I miss that?

I don't know all the rules but I think we're technically a "National". I know we missed the benchmark for Major status last December by a couple of million (3 I think) but I heard someone say the other day that the DOT looks back 12 months and doesn't necessarily wait until December 31st. Who knows, or even cares really. It's just a number and a name. Nobody follows the rules on this forum anyway. I have often wondered why the SysOp of this board doesn't move stuff by category like some other boards do. Maybe it's a software thing or maybe just a hassle that nobody really cares about anyway. Probably the latter.

C yaaa

 

[Flying Freddie]

With these pay rates maybe jetBlue discussions should take place on the "Regionals" board. They are defining themselves as a regional airline with some Airbuses.

You gotta use a mouthwash that will remove the bile from your mouth. Have a nice day.

 

[RichardFitzwell]

Bile? Jamie, is that you?