Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Article-It’s Bird Eat Bird in a Cluttered Sky

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

Bai B Nai

902 Wins
Joined
May 10, 2002
Posts
72
Hmm....an article in last month's Flying said the delays were caused by lack of runways. What the heck, I'll blame Oprah, Steve Jobs, Tiger Woods, et.al. and their GV's for making me wait at LGA.



August 26, 2007
It’s Bird Eat Bird in a Cluttered Sky
NY Times

By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ
THE summer travel season is building toward its Labor Day peak, and fliers are growing ever angrier about delays. Now, the beleaguered airline industry is trying to shift the blame onto an unlikely villain: corporate jets, which the airlines claim are literally crowding passenger planes out of the sky.
In what is shaping up as a smackdown between two of the least popular constituencies out there — airlines and corporate chieftains — the argument over the delays plaguing airports across America this summer is quickly taking a populist turn.
It’s a delicious twist. After all, the airlines themselves have been on the receiving end of populist outrage, especially after delays that stranded passengers for hours in overcrowded airliners. But now the industry’s lobbying group in Washington, the Air Transport Association, has charged that the explosive growth of corporate jets is the real culprit.
The reality is that the root causes of the delays are manifold — airports with little or no spare capacity, a 1950s air traffic control system and burgeoning demand for direct flights to smaller cities.
And the people who own and use private jets are quick to say that airlines are offering them up as scapegoats.
“The vast majority of delays are caused by weather,” says Steve Brown, senior vice president for operations at the National Business Aviation Association, a group representing owners of private business aircraft. “The airlines have overscheduled everything so if the smallest weather pattern develops, you have cascading delays all day long.”
But many independent observers say corporate flights are also responsible for some of the logjam, especially in congested cities like New York and Los Angeles.
“Corporate jets may be smaller, but they still take up space,” says Steve Danishek, an independent travel industry consultant based in Seattle. “There’s just a finite number of slots, and we have no wiggle room left.”
The argument over the delays comes down to two kinds of congestion — on the tarmac and in the sky.
On tarmacs, planes compete for opportunities to take off and land, often at busy hubs like Miami International Airport. What’s more, the Federal Aviation Administration lacks clear rules giving preference to commercial planes with hundreds of passengers over small jets with just a handful.
“First come, first served is the model we use to operate the aviation system,” says Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A.
So, although corporate jets tend to use smaller airports in the New York area, it’s possible that a crowded 737 might have to wait for a tiny Gulfstream to take off in Miami or at Dulles, outside Washington.
The users of corporate jets defend this practice, saying they deserve equal takeoff rights. “On a business flight, you might have people going to Wall Street from companies who are creating jobs and generating billions of dollars in commerce,” Mr. Brown says. “People on a commercial flight might be going on vacation or going to New York to go to the theater.”
Up in the sky, private jets often occupy the same air paths and rely on air traffic controllers to keep them away from other planes, even if they take off from smaller airports like Westchester and Teterboro instead of LaGuardia or Newark. On a typical day in the airspace over New York, roughly 20 to 30 percent of the air traffic comes from corporate jets, according to David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association.
“You can have all the concrete you want — it’s when you’re up in the air that you have a space problem,” he says.
Mr. Brown, of the private jet group, doesn’t dispute Mr. Castelveter’s estimates of the amount of corporate traffic in the New York area, but he says the actual overlap is very small because the corporate jets are using the different airports and in most cases, different routes.
Michael Baiada, a consultant in airline operations and a Boeing 747 captain for United Airlines, says the airlines must take more responsibility for delays and improve their own internal systems. But he agrees that corporate jets are increasing the strain on air traffic controllers trying to prevent what’s known in the industry as an “aluminum shower,” a midair collision.
“A blip is a blip, and all the controllers have is their eyes and their brains,” Mr. Baiada says. “They’re doing a great job, but there’s already a huge strain on controllers and this just adds one more.”
Financial considerations add fuel to the debate. Corporate jets pay a fraction of the taxes and fees that commercial airliners do. The F.A.A. estimates that private planes, which include both corporate jets and weekend fliers, account for 16 percent of the air traffic control system’s overhead but contribute only 3 percent of the fees earmarked to run the system.
To stoke populist outrage, the airline lobby has designed an online calculator that lets travelers compare fees. For example, a Boeing 737 flying from New York to Chicago pays $1,356 to the F.A.A.’s Airport and Airway Trust Fund, while a top-of-the-line Gulfstream contributes $161. The Air Transport Association has also created a Web-based ad campaign (www.smartskies.org) featuring a fictional traveler, Edna, complaining about the fee disparity while the computer screen displays waves of corporate jets filling the skies before and after sporting events like the Kentucky Derby and the Masters golf tournament.
Now, with the the financing of the Airport and Airway Trust Fund, which supplies a sizable portion of the F.A.A. budget, set to expire next month, the debate is shifting to Capitol Hill.
The F.A.A. has proposed altering the fee structure to cover the estimated $15 billion to $25 billion cost of modernizing the current air traffic control system. Its plan, now before Congress, would replace the existing ticket tax with user fees for commercial planes, while sharply increasing the fuel tax for private jets and also hitting corporate fliers with extra charges to land at any of the country’s 30 most congested airports.
It is this change in the funding formula that set off the conflict between the airlines and the private jet owners. Corporate jet advocates like Mr. Brown accuse the airlines of using the delay problem to deflect blame and hit them with the bill for upgrading the system.
“You can talk about airplane numbers, but the airlines are in the air a lot more than we are, 10 times as much,” Mr. Brown says. The airline industry, he says, “is spending more time pointing fingers than fixing its own problems.” Independent experts like Mike Boyd, an aviation industry consultant, say both sides are ducking the real issue. “It’s like arguing over the bar tab on the Hindenburg,” Mr. Boyd says. “The air traffic control system is out of date and broken down but neither side wants to pay to fix it.”
 
Sounds like it is the "tiny gulfstreams." I am sure they are impeding the flow of the 737s at FL 450.

The airlines become more and more pathetic everyday. The CEO's should get into politics and weep openly on the Oprah show.
 
Sounds like it is the "tiny gulfstreams." I am sure they are impeding the flow of the 737s at FL 450.

The airlines become more and more pathetic everyday. The CEO's should get into politics and weep openly on the Oprah show.


Agreed. Just have your comapny and any other that ply the skies on a regular basis pay their fair share of aviation taxes and we'll call it a day.
 
Unbelievable. You actually believe the airlines grab for more money? And you believe that corporate traffic impedes the flow of the airlines as well?

I have a feeling it's due to the outdated hub & spoke system, too many RJ's and subsidized airline gates with not enough true competition.

Thank god the managers at my company don't have airline experience.
 
That'll cover about 10%.

And business aircraft only constitute 4% of operations at the 10 largest airline airports......

Funny how the user fee scheme will actually collect $500 million LESS than the current fuel/excise tax system. Do you really want ANOTHER government bureacracy to track who flew where and when and how much they owe so they can send out the bill? Or keep it the way it is with the fuel vendors collecting the tax for the government? The House bill calls for a reasonable increase in 100LL and Jet-A taxes that would account for inflation over the past decade since the tax rates were last set. There are literally BILLIONS in the aviation trust fund for the development of NexGen and the current system is more than adequate to FAIRLY fund aviation infrastructure. This is merely a lame attempt to try and drive high dollar passengers back to First Class.

I've flown through countries with user fees like the ATA wants to impose (New Zealand, Germany, Italy, to name a few). Tumbleweeds, crickets...there is virtually no GA. If you want to destroy GA in the U.S. in order to make up for the stupidity of the airline industry, then support the Senate bill. The vast majority of the rich folk riding their own jets and the Frax ain't coming back no matter how much you try and jack up the bill. The House bill is a FAR better way to go.
 

Latest resources

Back
Top