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Pilot shortage? What?

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By Ken Kaye
Staff Writer
Posted March 14 2005

[font=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]Within the next decade, tens of thousands of veteran airline pilots and air traffic controllers plan to retire, leaving a potential dearth in experience that could cause airport delays and make the skies riskier, aviation experts say.

By 2015, about 25,000 pilots will retire while about 50,000 new pilots are hired, according to firms that track airline jobs. At the same time, 73 percent of the nation's 14,934 controllers will be eligible to retire.
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While the Federal Aviation Administration plans to hire 12,500 controllers by 2014, their union warns the plan will be implemented too slowly to allow adequate training. That could result in air traffic being bogged down, the union says.

Meanwhile, the demand for pilots has grown so great that fast-growing regional and low-fare carriers have eased hiring standards and are now plucking most of their first-officer candidates straight from flight schools, not the military, as in years past.

That translates to a boost in less-experienced pilots, who are not as prepared to deal with tricky situations, said Robert E. Breiling, an aviation accident analyst, based in Boca Raton.

"The inexperienced pilot, whoever he may be, is more accident prone than the experienced pilot," he said.

Pilot error accounts for more than 50 percent of airline accidents.

During the past five years, airline safety has been excellent, federal statistics show. Major airlines averaged about two fatal accidents per 10 million flights since 2000. Regional carriers, with 10 to 100 seats, averaged about three accidents per 10 million. Safety overall has steadily improved because of advanced technology and tighter federal scrutiny.

Still, the confluence of relatively inexperienced pilots and controllers could be "potentially disruptive" in five to seven years, said Stuart Klaskin, a Miami aviation consultant.

"I wouldn't go so far as to say it's going to be dangerous," he said. "But it's one of these situations that needs to be understood now, and acted upon now."

One way to prevent both groups from losing veterans -- and jeopardizing safety -- would be to increase the mandatory retirement age of both pilots and controllers, Klaskin said.

"An argument can be made that these people are being forced to retire when they're at the peak of their experience," he said.

Congress is considering a bill that would raise the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots from 60 to 65, but it likely will be months before it is debated. Even so, many pilots plan to retire at 60 anyway, having built up cushy pensions and benefits. Almost 30 percent of today's senior captains and first officers are approaching the end of their careers.

Most of today's controllers were hired after President Ronald Reagan fired 11,400 strikers in 1981, and they, too, are ready to call it quits.

Currently, air traffic controllers must retire at age 56, because it is a job that requires quick reactions. The FAA is considering granting annual extensions to controllers who are deemed exceptional, until they reach age 61.

The FAA said it will accelerate hiring dramatically as of next year, and by 2014 should have a total of 16,500 controllers, or about 1,500 more than now.

But the agency's plan to hire 887 by the end of this year would leave control towers and radar centers 1,300 short in two years, the National Air Traffic Controllers Association said.

That is because almost 2,200 controllers will retire by 2007, and it takes at least three years for their replacements to be adequately trained, the union said.

"When it comes to safety, the numbers have to add up. Unfortunately for travelers, the FAA seems to have failed Math 101," union president John Carr said.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the airline industry has been in turmoil.

Major airlines lost billions of dollars, as the public at first flew tentatively and then sought lower fares on smaller carriers. That forced the largest carriers to streamline and lay off tens of thousands of employees, including pilots.

However, as air travel rebounded, regional and low-fare carriers began to boom, taking advantage of the traveling public's desire for more direct routes and cheap tickets.

Yet, despite their financial troubles, the big carriers still rule the industry, employing 65,000 pilots and carrying 75 percent of domestic passengers. But they don't anticipate hiring for the next few years because they still have 9,100 pilots on furlough.

Meanwhile, the number of regional jets has quadrupled from 410 five years ago to 1,600 in 2004, according to the Regional Airline Association. Hundreds more are on order.

In all, more than 100 regional, low-fare and freight carriers plan to hire 8,000 to 10,000 pilots per year for the next several years, said Kit Darby, president of Air Inc., an Atlanta firm that tracks pilot jobs.

Many of the furloughed pilots for the major carriers have chosen not to work for smaller airlines because it means a pay cut.

And only a very small percentage of those hired are foreign pilots because of "the time and expense of helping them come here," Darby said.

Until about five years ago, regional and major airlines drew most of their pilots from the military, where they received extensive experience flying in jets or large planes, Darby said.

But fewer military pilots are available now because of wartime demands and because more pilots are opting to make the military a full-time career, said Jennifer Stephens, an Air Force spokeswoman.

To deepen the pool of civilian pilot candidates, many smaller carriers have reduced their minimum hiring qualifications from 1,500 hours of flight time to 1,000 hours or less, Darby said.

On the surface, that presents no safety concerns because most pilots are hired as co-pilots, working alongside much more experienced captains.

However, novice co-pilots could quickly upgrade to captain -- because regional captains are good candidates to be signed up by larger airlines, which have much stiffer hiring requirements, said Breiling, a former Pan Am pilot.

"You may hire on as a co-pilot and a year or two later, you're a captain," he said, describing a scenario that is not unusual at smaller regional carriers.

Regional airline pilots face difficult situations every day, from flying into small airports with short runways to making frequent landings, Breiling said.

Since 2000, regional airliners have been involved in 74 accidents, five fatal, in the continental U.S.

Of the fatal accidents, pilot error was cited in two cases and likely will be blamed in a third. Of 60 non-fatal accidents, where a probable cause has been determined, 19 were blamed on pilot error, according to National Transportation Safety Board records. Darby, a Boeing 767 captain for a major airline, emphasized that new pilots must go through a rigorous process before they become certified first -officers, allowed to fly passengers.

"Once pilots are in their jobs, working as professionals, you won't see a problem with safety," he said. "The system prevents any low time pilots from being in charge."

Denis Breslin, a veteran Boeing 777 captain, said experience isn't the only quality the airlines look for in prospective pilots.

"You have a quality about you, where you're calm in a crisis, and you can't panic," said Breslin, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, representing American Airline pilots. "You also must have a sense of adventure, because sometimes things change quickly."

Deborah McElroy, president of the Regional Airline Association, said regional carriers operate under the same stiff safety requirements as the major airlines. And once hired, a pilot undergoes the same intense training as in major airlines. That, she said, compensates for lack of experience.

"We have full-motion simulators, the whole works," she said. "We operate under the same regulations."

McElroy said most regional pilots graduate from university aviation programs, which teach pilots how to operate in an airline environment from the start. For instance, pilots are taught to work as teams, which the FAA requires of all airlines as a safety enhancement.

McElroy said that kind of experience might be more important than a high number of flight hours.

"Those hours may have been attained in a single engine that doesn't replicate a two-man advanced cockpit," she said.

Still, many new pilots coming from university programs have little or no time flying jets. Instead, they make a huge leap from light twin-aircraft to sophisticated commuter jets, Breiling said.

"It's like jumping from a Chevrolet to a Ferrari; it takes awhile to get familiar," he said.

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1) Back in the 60's major's were hiring pilots with as little as a Commercial Certificate and some people only had 400 hours total time. That turned out ok.

2) I don't think we need to worry about a shortage. With the price of oil and the arilines refusing to pass on that expense many will be out of business in the future.
 
I hope someone emailed this guy and set him straight.
 
First of all, being in the prediction mode of aviation and airlines is not one with much longevity. It is akin to betting on which snow flake will hit the ground first.

The prediction for the industry was one thing on Sepetember 10, another on September 12.

What is said is five to seven years out. Who knows other than it is detrmined how many of the currently employed will be out due to the age sixty rule which is a sub comment of this article.

The ATC may or may not be right.

On the other hand, the chances they are right are about the same as the person "setting them right".
 
In other News


Analysts predict there could very well be no more air travel by 2015. With the price of crude possibly reaching $180.00/barrel, Pilots making less than Flight Instructors, and Most airlines operating in BK, experts think people will be more prone to walk to their destinations. Stay tuned
 
SWA/FO said:
Pilot shortage? What?

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airline industry could face pilot, controller shortages in 10 years[/font]

By Ken Kaye
Staff Writer
Posted March 14 2005

[font=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica] Even so, many pilots plan to retire at 60 anyway, having built up cushy pensions and benefits.
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Is mandatory drug testing for journalists needed?
 
Kit Darby is a parasite

In all, more than 100 regional, low-fare and freight carriers plan to hire 8,000 to 10,000 pilots per year for the next several years, said Kit Darby, president of Air Inc., an Atlanta firm that tracks pilot jobs.

I was reading this article in total disbelief and disgust until I saw this and the rest. Then I knew exactly where this came from.
Kit Darby is a shameless snake-oil salesman. To have the absolute lack of integrity to make such statements, in todays industry situation, only proved that he is only looking out for himself, regardless of the lies, half-truths, and deceptions that he and his Air-Inc staff are willing to make. Anyone thinking of taking his services and paying money to him need to seriously rethink spending that money.
You can get just as much information from the internet and networking. I went to my first and last Air-Inc event in Dallas a year ago and was not impressed. My advice, save your money and burn it rather than give it to Kit, skip the morning half and just show up for the free meet-and-greet at the airline booths.
 
TooBad said:
In other News


Analysts predict there could very well be no more air travel by 2015. With the price of crude possibly reaching $180.00/barrel, Pilots making less than Flight Instructors, and Most airlines operating in BK, experts think people will be more prone to walk to their destinations. Stay tuned
Or just drive themselves. Anything less than 500 miles away, doorstep to doorstep, is just as quick in a car now.
 
As a FLL resident and Sun-Sentinel subscriber, I read Mr.Kaye's
articles from time to time. I think his aviation expertise is that he
was a CFI sometime in the 70's. Most of the time he is out to lunch, I wonder if he actually talked to Kit Darby or just quoted him from somewhere.
I am sure the Letters to the Editor page will have some letters this week, just not from me, it is too late to straighten this guy out.
 
Airline industry could face pilot, controller shortages in 10 years

We know that we WILL face a controller shortgage very soon.

How many pilot retirements will their be in the next 10 years? I think the total number of student starts since 9/11 is way down. Isn't is possible that there might be a shortage in 10 years?

I don't know the numbers, but it might be a possibility in 10 years..
 
Places like UND and Embry Riddle sponsored this article.....



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I agree this is an ad for the pilot factories.


Somebody said they hired low time guys in the 60's and that worked out. That's true but the low time guy was flying in the right seat for a while, next to some guy that flew everything since the wright flyer. The change now is you have two guys in the cockpit one with the same 400 hours and the captain with 1500 hours. Yea I know, they are all chuck yeagers and Bob Hoovers. But even those two were not as good at low time as they became when they aquired alot of experience. Flight factory pilots have to admit, that even though they are the greatest pilots ever put on the face of the earth, after a few years of experience they would be even better.
 
whoooooooop, ahhhhhh, Man this is good stufff., you wana hit?...I think I'll write a article based on the airlines in 1998, how much could have changed....:confused:
 
The guys hired in the 60's with 400 hours spent the next 15-20 years on the panel. They wern't your average 400 hour wonder when they finally had their hands on the controls.
 
Me thinks that you all do not really understand old Kit and the fact that he is somewhat right part of the time.

You guys tend to think in terms of major carriers and that is OK but only a small part of the statistic. In Kit's world, any job with an air carrier qualifies so his stats may have merit.

Take my good friends at Evergreen who notoriously hire and fire as their contracts come and go. Everyone put on is a new hire in the industry as far as Kit's stats go. Every pilot that flies for even the most obscure airline with two Navajo's is a hire.

Of the X amount of currently furloughes pilots a certain percentage will never get back at all/ Some will find other opportunities and not go back and others will age out.

In 10 years, anyone age 50 today will be gone under the present rules. If you were 45 when September 11th occured, you will be gone.

The question is how many airlines will be around then.
 
First off Ole Kit has a vested interested in what he says - therefore he should be the last person questioned. If he had any integrity he would put both sides of the equation out there. He always spins everything in the most favorable light in hopes people will flock to his Air Inc. collection.

In my opinion he preys on the weak and naive - the people least able to afford his services.

I wonder if his girlfriend is still riding the Bus.
 
If people smarten up, there will be a pilot shortage. They will not pay $70,000 for some rip off flight program that promises "6 months into an RJ". They will finally realize that they will make $20K a year with the hopes of $40K when they upgrade. They will realize that just as soon as the upgrade is about to come, the brainiacs in management screwed up the co. so bad that they close it down. They realize that once the co. shuts down, they have to go to another regional and make $16k. Once people see the reality of this industry, they may not get into this and then there will be a pilot shortage. Although, I think that I am giving some people too much credit.
 

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