Are the 135 minimums set in stone?

[FracCapt]

My question is, would I stand a chance of landing a cargo job without the 135 minimums?

You're kidding, right? The 135 minimums that are published are FAR's! They are NOT negotiable by any company. Keep in mind, these only apply to PIC's - I don't believe(though I could be wrong) there are any mins published for SIC's. You MAY be hired by a company as a VFR 135 pilot, but not IFR 135 unless you meet the mins you say you are a bit short of.

Don't Parker Pen the time.....it'll only get you in trouble in the future.

 

[philo beddoe]

PIC for IFR:

1200 TT, 500 XC, 100 Night, 75 Actual or Simulated Instrument

PIC for VFR:

500 TT, the rest I forget.

These are carved in stone.

If you are thinking about applying and figuring that they wil not check your logbook, suppose that you get hired. Suppose that you are involved in any sort of accident, incident, or something as minor as an altitude deviation or runway incursion. Suppose the FAA looks at your logbook (likely).

Your butt is toast. You are in direct violation of the FARs, and you could very well lose your tickets for misrepresenting your qualifications.

Falsifying paperwork is many times more likely to result in revocation than even crashing an airplane. Really. The whole system is built on trust. If you crash, you can be retrained. How do you retrain a liar? That is why revocation is a likely outcome.

 

[Freight Dog]

FAR 135.243(b) regulates VFR operations. You are required to have 500 hours total time, 100 hours of cross country time (point to point is OK) of which 25 hours have to be night.


FAR 135.243(c) regulates IFR operations. You are required to have at least 1200 hours total time, of which 500 hours have to be point to point cross country time (distance doesn't matter again) of which 100 hours have to be at night, and 75 have to be instrument. 50 hours has to be flown either under the hood or actual, and you can count 25 hours of FTD time towards this requirement.

 

[Bryan D]

Thanks for the replies. I have no intentions of falsifying my logbook. I'm in the process of enrolling in a 100 hr multi time building program. It's all night/cross country/multi/IFR (simulated-actual). After six months of banner towing I seriously doubt I could pass any sort of instrument check ride anyhow.

I guess what intrigues me most is someone who barely meets 135 minimums eyeballing the regionals while my target airline is a cargo job. Makes me think my goal is set too low.

 

[wingnutt]

when first reading, this does appear to be a silly question, but there is a loophole that Freight Dog caught.

if you do not meet the IFR rules (by whatever margin) you could be brought in under the VFR rules until meeting the IFR mins. the only caveat to this is that you will be trained, and the checkride will be under IFR, but the 8410 will be noted "VFR ONLY until IFR minimums met" in the remarks section. then once you do meet the IFR mins, you are good to go, with no additional checkrides necessary...unless of course, it took you 6 months to reach mins.

or they could do like Airnet did and have you ride along until you meet the IFR mins.

 

[FN FAL]

With the highly competitve nature of flying jobs right now, getting hired at 135 mins for a PIC job must be pretty tough.

I'd love to see a guy who pencil whipped 500-600 hours of fake flight time try to pull off the fallacy of imitating a frieght dog. You might squeeze past the interview, a log book scrutiny, the background check and the checkride, but when it's 6 o'clock on some blustery winter evening, pitch black and snowing to beat the bandit outside and the windows and sheet metal of the hangar are rattling in the wind and pireps are few and far between...you are the one that is going to have to get the balls to pull the plane out of the hangar and go to work...if you haven't wet your pants by then.

135 mins are there to protect the public at large, to protect commercial aviation, to protect the customers (whether they be sending peeps or boxes), to protect the plane manufacturers and anybody else that could be hurt if 135 operators could get away with putting 250 hour pilots behind the wheel of an aircraft in air carrier operations.

Do what you want to do...pencil whip, whatever...it's your life. Maybe the feds won't catch you, but you better be flying 5 knots faster than the angel of death...

 

[FracCapt]

when it's 6 o'clock on some blustery winter evening, pitch black and snowing to beat the bandit outside and the windows and sheet metal of the hangar are rattling in the wind and pireps are few and far between...you are the one that is going to have to get the balls to pull the plane out of the hangar and go to work...if you haven't wet your pants by then.

Spoken like a true freight dog. Ya know what the 2 rules are for freight dogs?

1) Never go below minimums.

2) Never go missed approach.

Been there, done that....glad to be out of the all night flying. I was pretty dang excited about 18 months ago when my DAY flight time finally exceeded my NIGHT flight time for the first time in many years.

 

[wingnutt]

Never go missed...

...im with ya on this rule, but im not so sure on that "other" one

 

[T-Gates]

You can never forget the Freight Dog "Breakfast Minimums" conversion..... And then there are CAT II Breakfast Minimums ( 2 for Tuesday at IHOP).....But I've already said too much...

 

[FracCapt]

...im with ya on this rule, but im not so sure on that "other" one

I didn't specify WHOSE minimums.....