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Are Airline Pilots Heavily in Debt??

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but, but, but

I worked as a lineman 32 hrs on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and then drove 100 miles to flight school for class during the week. The training took a little longer, 2 and a half years, but I got my ratings with no debt. Later I worked for a large pilot mill in AZ. I shook my head in wonder at the kids who took out $80,000 dollar loans to get their ratings through CFI and CRJ type, in 18 months. Now I'm making 35k a year as an FO with a total debt of $1500 dollars on a credit card and those kids are making close to the same pay with a mountain of debt. You can become a pilot without going in the red but you will not see six figures fast.
but you didn't go to an aviaiton college and get a four year degree in Aviation. How can you be a professional pilot? I bet you discovered that college has nothing to do with flying an airplane.
 
but you didn't go to an aviaiton college and get a four year degree in Aviation. How can you be a professional pilot? I bet you discovered that college has nothing to do with flying an airplane.

I got the degree, in aviation (sigh) paid for the old fashioned way, by my folks. Your right the four year degree is not the prerequisite it used to be. If I were to do it over again, I pay for flight training first, then go to school for a useful nonaviation degree while I instructed to build time and skill.
 
I would do it all over again, but I wouldn't even have attempted it in the airline environment of the last 10 years which sadly is the new norm with no good news in sight.

There will be no "taking it back". It's gone.

Debt and financial responsibility have much less in relation to career and income, than they do to self esteem, ego, social patterning, and other things.

I have an airline pilot friend and his wife who exceed 200K annually (and have for the past 4-5 years) who are now bankrupt. Even in bankruptcy his wife refuses to shop at a different grocery store where she has been shown that they can trim almost $600/mo. off their budget.

She claims that the products are inferior, even when it is proven to her that many of the products come from the EXACT manufacturer of the products she prefers. What she really is worried about is that her friends will see her shopping at the discount store...It's not about career or income, it's about emotion and perception.

They will be out of bankruptcy in 5 years.... and back into it just as quickly.



Another friend of mine is a local truck driver who makes 60k annually. He is constantly in debt over his head and always on the verge of bankruptcy. When he asked me to help him develop a financial plan I agreed and showed him where he could trim almost $700/mo from his budget....simply by changing grocery stores and limiting fast food purchases. He would have been debt free in 2.5-3 yrs. with the plan we developed.

He is now carrying twice as much debt as he was 3 years ago, blows $10-20 a day on fast food, and when he does buy groceries he still shops at the Mom and Pop market where he pays approx. 40-60% MORE for each item he buys. He claims it is "too far" to go to the other store. (it's about 4 miles ).

The real problem, once again, is that he was raised without money and in his small Kansas town it might get out that he shops at "that discount place." So living on the financial brink, having zero wealth doesn't matter....having his neighbors see him buying only "name brand" does.

When he was looking at getting a management promotion and making 75k a year he asked me: " I could live pretty well on 75 Grand dont'cha think!"

I stated: " Well, if you can't live on 60 grand a year, you can't live on 75".

He looked puzzled for a moment and then he got it...

It isn't what you make or how you make it...It's all about how you perceive yourself and your money, coupled with a small bit of logic and some self discipline, that allows you to handle finances with some degree of responsibility.

Of course, keeping ex, current, and future wives to a bare minimum certainly helps as well.

:)

YKW


P.S. - The "Magic" grocery store in the above examples is: ALDI.

Learn it, Love it, Live it.

http://www.aldifoods.com/us/html/service/store_locator_ENU_HTML.htm?WT.z_src=main

If you are fortunate enough to have one near you, you will knock 30-40% off your monthly food budget immediately ... and without pesky coupons or "sales".

( No, I have no investment or vested interest in ALDI. )
 
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Oh God... Please... Not ANOTHER college degree thread from YIP.

I'll move this thing to non-av chat faster than you can say "College Degree Required to apply". ;)
 
I go to Aldi for the basics, but have to go to Krogers/Publix for the other stuff I buy (specialty fish and meats, etc). I also shop at the Farmer's Market for my veggies.

I only buy the sales stuff at the bigger chain stores and freeze it for later. Have shaved about $300 off my grocery bill a month since I started doing that... works nicely. :)
 
Debt and financial responsibility have much less in relation to career and income, than they do to self esteem, ego, social patterning, and other things.


It isn't what you make or how you make it...It's all about how you perceive yourself and your money, coupled with a small bit of logic and some self discipline, that allows you to handle finances with some degree of responsibility.


That's all that needed to be said! Be responsible and realistic and you'll be ok. The question is, is going 100k into debt for a regional job in todays environment "responible"? Glad I don't have to make that decision today.
 
" The question is, is going 100k into debt for a regional job in today's environment "responsible" ?

Simply put....NO.

The Cost/Benefit analysis no longer works in today's airline industry.

20 years ago one could spend 18-20k to gain a commercial, multi, instrument and a CFI and then find employment as a CFI or Regional first officer making 10-12k annually. A few years of that and one could make 20-22k or so as a Regional captain or maybe as a charter or corporate co-pilot. Then off to the larger airlines and after first year pay of 20k, 40-60k for a few years as first officer and then off to the left seat for an even more respectable income with at least 20 years of six figures til' retirement.

Nowadays it's 50k+ for the ratings, 20k at the regionals....for several years, maybe make it to Captain and pull down 40-60k and if you ever escape the regionals, 10-20 years as a first officer at the larger operators where you can make less ( when adjusted for inflation etc. ) than people did 20 years ago for doing the same job. You may NEVER see six figures ( as a base wage ) in today's environment.

Not a pretty picture if you ask me.



YKW
 
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Airline Deregulation is here to stay, deal with it. Pay won't be coming back to what it was 20 years ago. You shouldn't need Suzy to tell you that!
 

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