APA/US MOU question

[ackattacker]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...an-to-a-Merger-MOU-explainer-January-2013.pdf

USAPA defined the Effective date on Page 6 as, "Upon Bankruptcy Court approval of a Plan of Reorganization to merge US Airways and American Airlines, the merger will begin to be finalized. The date of approval of the Plan of Reorganization will be known as the Effective Date of the merger. On the Effective Date: New compensation, working conditions, and other guidelines outlined by the MTA will go into effect for USAirways pilots."

So I guess I need to file a grievance against what stands in place of a union for distributing false and misleading information prior to the vote on approval of the MOU.

Obviously the glossy flier they put out had some problems. The pay rates they initially published where incorrect also. In their defense, at the time that flier was produced, I believe the POR had not been published so there was no actual definition of "Effective Date" for them to go on. And, if everything had gone according to plan, the difference between date of approval and Effective Date would have been minimal. As it stands with the DOJ lawsuit, they are obviously two very different things.

 

[Carl S.]

Come on, give USAPA a break, they only put out misinformation for the Easties to continue on their LOA93 dreams...

 

[Turtle21]

Come on, give USAPA a break, they only put out misinformation for the Easties to continue on their LOA93 dreams...

Is that an angler's hat in your avitar pic?

 

[Bringupthebird]

The POR is not really approved. It was a political stunt. What is so hard for you to understand? Gee. Go give more money to Marty, already.

I suppose for the gullible East, this is at the lower end of the scale. Just like their pay.
and integrity
and trustworthiness
and work rules
and respect among their industry "peers"
and ability to create value for members
and credibility
and negotiating ability
and safety record
and ...

 

[Turtle21]

I suppose for the gullible East, this is at the lower end of the scale. Just like their pay.
and integrity
and trustworthiness
and work rules
and respect among their industry "peers"
and ability to create value for members
and credibility
and negotiating ability
and safety record
and ...

As long as you are still hating on us I think we are doing just fine.

 

[Metrojet]

How did the MOU specifically define the POR date? Why should the pilots read into the MOU something that isn't there? If the black letter reading of the MOU states that the POR is the date the BK judge approves the merger (conditionally or otherwise) then that trigger has been met.

This could drag on forever with folks agreeing to redefine the intent of the MOU.

Sort of like agreeing to an arbitrator , and then trying to redefine the intent of Alpa merger policy, when clearly the results were not the intent of the policy ( unless you are referring to the UAL / CAL SLI which clearly stated that the provision of not including longevity in the US/AW was not a fair and equitable way of combining a list)

Or I see - you intial post was just a backward way of you throwing another insult to USAPA, as soon as someone tried to get you an answer to your question


Good luck on the proposed future SLI - or lets see how many new hires want to take PHX as a base bid

Metrojet

 

[Tweaker]

Jesus would you clowns stop QUOTING this pro grade clown?

Ignore list only works if you stop feeding the trolls!

 

[Carl S.]

Metro..still think the AWA/AAA list is unfair...that's so 2007...

 

[Metrojet]

Metro..still think the AWA/AAA list is unfair...that's so 2007...

Carl -

You do know there is a time limit on unclaimed lottery tickets in most state laws

Metrojet

 

[Guppiedriver]

( unless you are referring to the UAL / CAL SLI which clearly stated that the provision of not including longevity in the US/AW was not a fair and equitable way of combining a list)


Metrojet

The arbitrators in the UAL/CAL SLI said nothing of the sort. However, they did say this:

The biggest mistake a pilot group can make in thinking about the SLI process or in analyzing an award is to focus on one factor among the many used in building the ISL and use that as the sole determinant in judging the ?fairness? of the outcome of the integration. In the history of SLI cases, we have observed that pilot groups often did just that and stuck to extreme positions and thus effectively had little or no real input in the ISL Board?s work in building a list. When they do that, items that are important to them get lost along with the extreme positions they take on more fundamental issues. We have seen that most recently in America West/US Airways and Delta/Northwest, where the US Airways and Northwest Merger Committees each proposed Date-of-Hire integrations when there simply was no basis in the facts or in Merger Policy for that position. In those cases, the respective arbitration boards each issued awards that were patterned on the America West and Delta Committees? proposals and contained virtually nothing proposed by the other pilot group