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APA takes a stand: no xray, no public pat down

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I'm not that familiar with the ALPA representational structure, but do they have a similiar person who might make such a statement to the "53,000 pilots at 38 U.S. and Canadian airlines" their website says they represent?

A Message from APA President, Captain Ed Bates:

Fellow Pilots,

In response to increased threats to civil aviation around the world, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has implemented the use of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) body scanners at some airport locations.

While I’m sure that each of us recognizes that the threats to our lives are real, the practice of airport security screening of airline pilots has spun out of control and does nothing to improve national security. It’s long past time that policymakers take the steps necessary to exempt commercial pilots from airport security screening and grant designated pilot access to SIDA utilizing either Crew Pass or biometric identification. As I recently wrote to the TSA Administrator:

“Our pilots are highly motivated partners in the effort to protect our nation's security, with many of us serving as Federal Flight Deck Officers. We are all keenly aware that we may serve as the last line of defense against another terrorist attack on commercial aviation. Rather than being viewed as potential threats, we should be treated commensurate with the authority and responsibility that we are vested with as professional pilots.”

It is important to note that there are “backscatter” AIT devices now being deployed that produce ionizing radiation, which could be harmful to your health. Airline pilots in the United States already receive higher doses of radiation in their on-the-job environment than nearly every other category of worker in the United States, including nuclear power plant employees. As I also stated in my recent letter to the Administrator of the TSA:

“We are exposed to radiation every day on the job. For example, a typical Atlantic crossing during a solar flare can expose a pilot to radiation equivalent to 100 chest X-rays per hour. Requiring pilots to go through the AIT means additional radiation exposure. I share our pilots' concerns about this additional radiation exposure and plan to recommend that our pilots refrain from going through the AIT. We already experience significantly higher radiation exposure than most other occupations, and there is mounting evidence of higher-than-average cancer rates as a consequence.”

It’s safe to say that most of the APA leadership shares my view that no pilot at American Airlines should subject themselves to the needless privacy invasion and potential health risks caused by the AIT body scanners. I therefore recommend that the pilots of American Airlines consider the following guidelines:

Use designated crew lines if available.

Politely decline AIT exposure and request alternative screening.

There is absolutely no denying that the enhanced pat-down is a demeaning experience. In my view, it is unacceptable to submit to one in public while wearing the uniform of a professional airline pilot. I recommend that all pilots insist that such screening is performed in an out-of-view area to protect their privacy and dignity.

If screening delays your arrival at the cockpit, do not cut corners that jeopardize the safety of the flight. Consummate professionalism and safety are always paramount.

Maintain composure and professionalism at all times and recognize that you are probably being videotaped.

If you feel that you have been treated with less than courtesy, respect and professionalism, please submit an observer report to APA. Please be sure to include the time, date, security checkpoint and name of the TSA employee who performed the screening. Avoid confrontation.

Your APA Board of Directors and National Officers are holding a conference call this week to discuss these issues and further guidance may be forthcoming.

While I cannot promise results tomorrow, I pledge to dedicate APA resources in the days and weeks to come to achieve direct access to SIDA for the pilots of American Airlines. In the meantime, I am confident that you will continue to exhibit your usual utmost professionalism as you safely operate and protect our nation's air transport system.
 
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This is a call to arms and we should all answer! Every pilot group and every pilot NEEDS to do this!!

We can all agree that TSA is a joke. If anything will change security procedures it will be when the Airline managers start seeing late flights and lost revenue because of looonnnnnggg lines of pilots waiting to be hand screened by the idiots of TSA

Its not a strike but it can be very effective.
 
About damn time one of our unions take a stand on this bull crap!! I would really like to see ALPA, Teamsters and all the other independent unions take a similar stand and work together to resolve now rather than later!
 
Could not agree more. but instead of requesting the private room, I am planning to repeat as closely as possible the scene from the hangover where everytime someone goes in to touch my junk I plan one giving the: "Hey watch it pervert!" then following whatever bs reply they make look at any passenger standing nearby and dropping: "He got really close to my shaft!"
 
Every union in the industry needs to issue the same statement, and issue a press release as well. GET ON THIS alpa, swapa, teamsters and every other union representing the pilots of this nation.

Ladies and gentlemen reading this thread who have positions with the unions, PLEASE get this going.

GET ON THIS PLEASE!!!!!
 
ALPA and balls....uhmmm..no they are still developing their 8 yr plan on a nationwide security standard for their pilots. Expect a final report in 10 more years......

As previous poster said. ALPA already made their statement. They don't want to rock the boat, and possibly endanger their great contacts in the government. Miss out on all those great dinners and parties up on capital hill. (Think Worthless made this claim as one reason for him to stay as prez...)
 
ALPA and balls....uhmmm..no they are still developing their 8 yr plan on a nationwide security standard for their pilots. Expect a final report in 10 more years......

As previous poster said. ALPA already made their statement. They don't want to rock the boat, and possibly endanger their great contacts in the government. Miss out on all those great dinners and parties up on capital hill. (Think Worthless made this claim as one reason for him to stay as prez...)

Yeah, Napolitano (the scum-sucking politician, not the Judge) won't invite the ALPoliticians to her cocktail parties if they don't toe the line.

Yessum...

TC
 
Here's ALPA's statement, given on 22 Oct 2010

ALPA "acknowledges" the problem and is "urging" airlines to adopt CrewPass. Powerful, take-no-prisoners words from an organization "representing 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the U.S. and Canada."

October 22, 2010 - The Air Line Pilots Association Int’l. (ALPA) fully supports effective airline passenger security screening. In fact, ALPA played a key role in influencing the federal government to mandate passenger screening in the early 1970s.

Recently, the use of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) as a security screening tool has raised privacy and other concerns in North America and around the world. ALPA acknowledges the reservations and concerns that some have expressed about the use of AIT. Countering these issues, however, is the fact that AIT can provide a significantly greater level of security than do walk-through metal detectors to keep improvised explosive devices and other threat objects off of airline aircraft.

Looking to the future, ALPA is advocating for the development of a trust-based security system that will focus on determining whether an individual possesses hostile intent using threat-object detection technology as a supplement to the screening process. Once implemented, this system will help reduce the need for use of invasive screening methods for the vast majority of the traveling public.

Responding to a Congressional mandate, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has already endorsed one component of a threat-based security system by approving implementation of the ALPA-conceived Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). CrewPASS, a dedicated security screening process for flight crewmembers, validates the identity and confirms the employment status of crewmembers in real time. ALPA has obtained the required approval from TSA for nationwide CrewPASS implementation; the Association is urging each carrier to make this system available for use of their flight crewmembers.

http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2010/PassengerScreening_10-22-10.htm
 
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APA made a stand, so I think we should simply all heed that. No AIT for this gent!
 
I'll be opting out of being zapped by the AIT. I'm glad APA stepped up to the plate. Of course, once again, I'm disappointed in ALPA just bending over and taking it.
 
I'll be opting out of being zapped by the AIT. I'm glad APA stepped up to the plate. Of course, once again, I'm disappointed in ALPA just bending over and taking it.

......not to be confused with surprised though. :D
 
We can all agree that TSA is a joke. If anything will change security procedures it will be when the Airline managers start seeing late flights and lost revenue because of looonnnnnggg lines of pilots waiting to be hand screened by the idiots of TSA

Its not a strike but it can be very effective.
This is exactly what I've been telling every person I know (not just airline crew members/employees) regarding the AIT scanners. If everyone demands the pat-down instead of the scanner, the lines will back up. The longer the lines, the more likely people will complain...and the more likely we will see the scaling back of security theatre. Either that, or some politician's naughty bits, exposed by the scanner, need to be obtained and published for all to see. That might put a stop to them, once and for all.

I refused the scanner at DCA over the weekend and my wife followed suit. I'm not sure I've ever felt more patriotic whilst being violated by TSA screener than in that moment.

Sidenote: Penn & Teller sell these at their shows at the Rio. Maybe we should pick a few up. :beer:
 
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A little thread drift but it is a related subject.

The line about "100 chest xrays per hour" shocked me.

I did a quick search and that number sounds inaccurate. I did learn that it will take me 27 years to establish a 1-100 chance of developing a fatal cancer. Considering that I am 13 years into the process really suks.

Another item I found was the huge impact of solar flares. Unfortunately, a "solar maximum" is supposed to begin during the summer of 2011 and it will last more than one year. The amount of radiation exposure during this period will be the equivalent of 10 to 20 YEARS of radiation, depending on the type of flying involved.

If I was flying long haul over the higher latitudes I would seriously bid a different schedule.

Bizjet studs up in the high 40's and even 510 are going to bear the brunt of the radiation.

We may need to update the retirement charts as a whole bunch of us are going to get nuked over the next couple of years. Good times.
 
You don't get to be FAA Administrator some day if you take a stand on issues like this.

\babbited
 
Bravo APA! I wish ALPA would join you, but we all know that won't happen. I am going to follow the APA guidance and urge others to follow.
 
Send an email to the author asking him to recommend that people opt for the private pat-down. Perhaps if the general public starts refusing the xray it will accelerate the pressure to get CrewPass: [email protected]

. . . At BWI, I told the officer who directed me to the back-scatter that I preferred a pat-down. I did this in order to see how effective the manual search would be. When I made this request, a number of TSA officers, to my surprise, began laughing. I asked why. One of them -- the one who would eventually conduct my pat-down -- said that the rules were changing shortly, and that I would soon understand why the back-scatter was preferable to the manual search. I asked him if the new guidelines included a cavity search. "No way. You think Congress would allow that?" . . .

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...he-first-time-the-tsa-meets-resistance/65390/
 
I agree the body scanners are too much, and an infringement when the screeners are drooling and posting sensitive photos on the web. However, the threat in the eyes of DHS is not dedicated pilots, but impostors using pilot credentials to gain access to SIDA. Just remember, in law enforcement everyone is a suspect until they're proven not to be a threat. It's for our benefit that there is scrutiny of credentials.

When a terrorist is finally successful, the same people crying about the screening procedures will be blaming lax security. The same spokesmen for the unions will be lambasting DHS for the lack of security of flight crews.

But I feel the answer is better screening of pax possessions, and better awareness by everyone of the actual threats. If we knew all that was going on out there none of us would fly.
 
Oh, and I don't go through the scanners either.
 
CASS solved the problems of imposters pretty rapidly and effectively, crew pass works on the same principle.

I am glad APA took a stance, hopefully they will now be joined by SWAPA and ALPA!
 
My solution.

Step 1. Designate a city - preferably one with a high pilot population.

Step 2. Pick a date, time and terminal.

Step 3. Have every pilot in the area go through security and request the pat down option. Be sure to leave the computer in the wheelaboard, stock up on plenty of pocket change and carry your phone.

Step 4. When finally clear of security, repeat Step 3.

Bring a terminal to a grinding halt a few times and I'll bet Crew Pass will happen sooner rather than later.
 
I have already attached the letter and sent it to my union president. This is B.S. and we as professional pilots need to finally stand up agaist the degredation of our industry. Screening us is a complete waste of time and resources. I want to be treated like a tug driver with a GED.
 

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