Anyone see jonathan ornstein on speedtv?

[AWACO]

2 Wheel Tuesday did an interview with that fool (6/13/06pm & 6/14/06am). He was just talking about riding his Aprilla in SoCal and keeking up with the young kids in the mountains bla bla bla. What was kind of funny is he did state 'some people think my business ideas are kind of unconventional' I dont know if he was refering to him riding a motorcycle or his view on pilots.

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[Dave Benjamin]

I was hoping Court TV might show a rerun of the trial where Ornstein was convicted of fraud. There's nothing "unconventional" about his business ideas. We've had a variety of criminals in the boardrooms across the US. Plus Lorenzo was in the industry before Ornstein gained any real prominence.

 

[Soverytired]

I was hoping Court TV might show a rerun of the trial where Ornstein was convicted of fraud. There's nothing "unconventional" about his business ideas. We've had a variety of criminals in the boardrooms across the US. Plus Lorenzo was in the industry before Ornstein gained any real prominence.

What fraud has he been convicted of as a CEO of an airline, or any company, for that matter.

Just curious.

(Please bash Mesa for 20 pages now. You know you want to. )

 

[dash8driver]

he didnt say he committed a crime while being a ceo. he just said he was a criminal in a boardroom, refering to his prior crime and the fact that he's a ceo now.



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[belchfire]

I wouldn't cross the street to urinate on him if he was on fire.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

What fraud has he been convicted of as a CEO of an airline, or any company, for that matter.

Just curious.

(Please bash Mesa for 20 pages now. You know you want to. )

Another case of poor reading comprehension. I just hope your attention to detail improves when you're at work.

Ornstein's felony conviction is pretty well known. Nowhere did I imply that he was convicted while serving as an airline executive. This all happened in his previous career in stock/investments. Once he was banished from that profession he needed to find another industry to infect.

While he may not have engaged in criminal behavior recently since he's smarter now, the man is morally and ethically reprehensible. What's sad is that he finds so many "helpers" that are willing to be his accomplices. In fact I think he found about 50 of them pretty easily when he started Freedom.

 

[PropPiedmont]

That ****************************** bag has a felony on his record. He can't even apply for a job at his own airline, yet he can be the CEO. Go figure. Maybe one day he won't be able to keep up with those kids in the hills at 140 mph. And hopefully by then he'll realize that helmets are for p*ssies.

 

[Soverytired]

Another case of poor reading comprehension. I just hope your attention to detail improves when you're at work.

<sigh>

Oh no, I understood you the first time. But he did the crime then did the time (or paid the fine) . . .and seems to have done pretty darn well for a guy who got the wind knocked out of his sails from a self-inflicted wound.

While no friend of pilots (REPEAT: JO IS NOT A FRIEND OF PILOTS), he has certainly been good for Mesa. I know . . . I was furloughed after LR lost the United flying, and I thought my career here was over. JO turned this place around, big time.

Are you one of those guys who thinks that a pilot with a single DUI on his driving record 15 years ago should disqualify him from ever working as a pilot again? Cuz it's about the same thing.

 

[414Flyer]

I wouldn't cross the street to urinate on him if he was on fire.

I would if I could drink turpentine first.

JO was being very belligerent in a Santa Monica city council meeting recently, even verbally threated someone in there.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Wow, soverytired is an Ornstein apologist.
JO good for Mesa? Turned the place around did he? You probably think Colonel Sanders is good for chickens.
Since you've been around since the Risley days it's safe to assume you're a Mesa lifer. Nothing wrong with that.

To compare a 15 year old DUI to previous criminal activity and the ongoing abhorable conduct of JO is just plain dumb.
It's quite possible for someone to have made a mistake 15 years ago. If their record has been clean since and they don't abuse alchohol then they have obviously made a postive change in their lives. I know of pilots and others that have successfully overcome substance abuse and are outstanding individuals.

Ornstein on the other hand has shown no signs of recovery. He's still a sick miserable pathetic excuse for a human being. He has not reformed himself. He's still ethically and morally bankrupt. But at least he has one fan at Mesa and that's soverytired, a thankful Mesa lifer. Ornstein is smart enough not to get convicted again but deep down he's still the same scam artist.

 

[John Pennekamp]

(Please bash Mesa for 20 pages now. You know you want to. )

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OK. I hope the ASA pilots are giving the Freedom crews a warm welcome in ATL. Wonder why we never see them in the crew lounge? Be sure to give them the one finger wave when you see them. Make sure they get parked/loaded/unloaded/fueled after you. Our rampers need to know who they work for. If Freedom's on time number continue to suck, they won't be here much longer. Be sure to point out that they may have a door open while taxiing. Are those gear pins I see?

 

[pa30flying]

John I was in the crew lounge the other day, very nice by the way. Oh yeah , I have a flag on my heart.

 

[PHX767]

Saw Ornstein in the Supermarine FBO at SMO. He was screaming at his driver for bringing his kids late, after a playoff game. Then his kid (about 10 years old) started screaming at him! They were flying on our hangar neighbor's CL601, the poor pilot was standing there taking all this in with his mouth hanging open. Classy.

I've carried him a few times when I worked for FLOPS. A very intense little fellow.

 

[sweptback]

John I was in the crew lounge the other day, very nice by the way. Oh yeah , I have a flag on my heart.

Be careful going in the crew lounge if you don't have a SIDA badge.

 

[737 Pylt]

OK. I hope the ASA pilots are giving the Freedom crews a warm welcome in ATL. Wonder why we never see them in the crew lounge? Be sure to give them the one finger wave when you see them.

Yet another internet tough boy! I bet you don't have the balls to do it in person sparky!

Make sure they get parked/loaded/unloaded/fueled after you. Our rampers need to know who they work for. If Freedom's on time number continue to suck, they won't be here much longer. Be sure to point out that they may have a door open while taxiing. Are those gear pins I see?

No wonder you made it so far in your career as professional as you are.
Another pathetic excuse for a "professional pilot."
737

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yet another internet tough boy! I bet you don't have the balls to do it in person sparky!



No wonder you made it so far in your career as professional as you are.
Another pathetic excuse for a "professional pilot."
737

Scum widgethead. On a message board telling off an RJ pilot. Get a life. Go home and kick your dog, beat your wife.

And I've walked the walk SPORT!

 

[DashCojones]

That ****************************** bag has a felony on his record. He can't even apply for a job at his own airline, yet he can be the CEO. Go figure. Maybe one day he won't be able to keep up with those kids in the hills at 140 mph. And hopefully by then he'll realize that helmets are for p*ssies.

This gets my vote for both the best and the funniest post ever!

 

[DashCojones]

<sigh>

Oh no, I understood you the first time. But he did the crime then did the time (or paid the fine) . . .and seems to have done pretty darn well for a guy who got the wind knocked out of his sails from a self-inflicted wound.

While no friend of pilots (REPEAT: JO IS NOT A FRIEND OF PILOTS), he has certainly been good for Mesa. I know . . . I was furloughed after LR lost the United flying, and I thought my career here was over. JO turned this place around, big time.

Are you one of those guys who thinks that a pilot with a single DUI on his driving record 15 years ago should disqualify him from ever working as a pilot again? Cuz it's about the same thing.

Yo man, you've been at mesa a loooong time then! Why? Not trying to stir the pot, but making a career out of Mesa is something I'll never understand.

 

[737 Pylt]

Scum widgethead. On a message board telling off an RJ pilot. Get a life. Go home and kick your dog, beat your wife.

And I've walked the walk SPORT!

Like I said, another internet tough boy! If I wanted any lip out of you junior, I'd scrape it off my zipper!
737

 

[islandhopper]

What fraud has he been convicted of as a CEO of an airline, or any company, for that matter.

Just curious.

(Please bash Mesa for 20 pages now. You know you want to. )

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/Forbes/1999/08/09/1014280

In 1978 Ornstein dropped out of the University of Pennsylvania... at age 21, became E.F. Hutton's youngest-ever broker. But over nine years he bounced around five firms, getting fired from several. Why? A lengthy disciplinary record--the official printout is 21 feet long--charging unauthorized trading, misrepresentation, document alteration and churning. Eventually, Ornstein was fined $20,000 and suspended as a broker for three years. A published Securities & Exchange Commission opinion essentially called him a liar.