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flyinloki said:That bad?? I found out about the two falcons when I talked to em today. Supposedly they were both pilot error, the first one that went down didn't turn on their anti-ice or something during touch and gos and they flamed out perhaps and the second one which i remember in St. Louis they ran out of fuel and decided not to declare an emergency and got put into a hold. And their owner and CEO died last november in a honda jet crash which was mechanical but their maintenance dept. wasn't even the one that worked on it. Anyone have anything specific on why so negative other than the Falcons. Work rules bad, or FAA violations on aircraft and pilots stuff like that. Like to dig a little deeper perhaps. From what I hear the former owner and CEO's ex-wife is running the company now and she also ownes Air America based up in Canada. Thanks all again!