Anyone have the J4J/E190 Vote count?

[SF340Guy]

Anyone know the results of the IBT 747 vote to allow the expansion of J4J? Just curious.

 

[Chicken Taco]

Not released yet by the IBT as of this evening. Even our EXCO guys are unaware. Not implying anything, just stating the facts. Things that make you go hmm....

..CT

 

[SF340Guy]

bump..............

 

[FlyingDawg]

Anyone know the results of the IBT 747 vote to allow the expansion of J4J? Just curious.

It's on THE union website.

http://www.ibt747.org/airlines/chq/news/2005/090105chqB.htm

 

[bvt1151]

Wow. Where was that supposed big contingent of CHQ pilots opposed to extending J4J at the expense of the other airlines?

Very disappointing.

 

[mnalpha]

j4j is just the mainline mec screwing others and not allowing the majority to options they deserve. Just because you loose your job, should not mean you are first in line anywhere else. I really hate mainline mec, bunch of fags.

 

[mdanno808]

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[Axel]

Wow. Where was that supposed big contingent of CHQ pilots opposed to extending J4J at the expense of the other airlines?

Very disappointing.

You would have been critical regardless of the outcome. On behalf of airline management everywhere, I would like to extend our sincere appreciation for your contribution to the continued success of our Divide and Conquer strategy. Tool.

j4j is just the mainline mec screwing others and not allowing the majority to options they deserve. Just because you loose your job, should not mean you are first in line anywhere else. I really hate mainline mec, bunch of fags.

Ramblings of a madman or too much beer

LOA 91 calls for Alleghany-Mohawk integration if there is a "change of control" of Mid Atlantic or for j4j if the assets are sold.

My understanding (which admittedly is certainly incomplete and is most probably flawed) is that the UMEC expected their U DOH in Alleghany-Mohawk integration. That would have displaced 90% of the CHQ seniority list. I am led to further understand that the UMEC refused to entertain any proposal other than that. You can't fault the CHQ guys for balking at that.

The UMEC has filed a grievance (and the arbitration hearings began early this week) asking to decide whether this transaction is a change of control or an asset sale. Depending on the arbitrators decision, it will either be j4j or A-M; per the LOA to which the U pilots agreed.

Even though the U pilots agreed to it when they ratified all the LOA's regarding J4j, it remains basically a staple job with some CA seats, slightly higher FO pay and some limited furlough protection. On the other hand, U DOH would knock down, as I said, all the CHQ guys hired after 1998 300-ish places.

I do not believe either group has behaved well.

And everyone learn how to spell "lose' and "loser."

 

[say again]

And everyone learn how to spell "lose' and "loser."

What a "looser" !!!! All in good fun, couldn't resist!!!! Poor spelling is part of what makes flightinfo so great !!!!!

 

[Axel]

...Poor spelling is part of what makes flightinfo so great !!!!!

I'm not the spelling police. That one just sets my teeth on edge for some reason.

 

[bvt1151]

You would have been critical regardless of the outcome. On behalf of airline management everywhere, I would like to extend our sincere appreciation for your contribution to the continued success of our Divide and Conquer strategy. Tool.

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass. Don't rant about things you don't understand.

 

[Axel]

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass.

Actually I was. They had no idea how anyone would vote except themselves. Not the point.

Don't rant about things you don't understand.

I understand. You have been consistently critical of the CHQ group and as such have made yourself the tool of management. Don't you think management knows they can get more from us if they play us off against each other? Stop helping them. CHQ/Mesa/SKYW are not the enemy. All the " (insert favorite bottom-feeding, bar-lowering whore group) haters" posting their vitriolic rants are perpetuating management's stategy of Divide and Conquer. Indeed I understand perfectly well

 

[BoilerUP]

BVT

As I recall reading, most CHQ pilots said they would probably vote YES because they were getting something without giving up anything.

 

[chrisdahut24]

Apparently you were not involved in several of the other discussions regarding this topic in which CHQ pilots swore this would not pass. Don't rant about things you don't understand.

BVT, you are a complete tool that has the least understanding of the situation. While many CHQ pilots has expressed the sentiment that we don't want to see 90+ seat flying at the regional level (as have many other regional pilots), We have no control over who gets 90 seaters. The decision has already been made that 90 seaters will be flown by regionals with the relaxation of scope at mainline. If you think by turning down the offer we voted on would help "save the industry", you have truly lost it.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

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