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I have a friend who went through GS and now flies for SkyWest. Great guy, and I'm sure an excellent pilot. He said without GS he would have never gotten on with SKYW so quickly. Yeah the pay sucks, but it did land him a regional job. I'm neutral on the subject. If you have money, it's your choice on how to spend it. I only have my ppl, but I think if someone can afford to pay for training beyond their CFI/Commercial then why not. I'm 25, and considering to enter commercial aviation. I've gone through university, and worked in the software engineering business for sometime and saved up a nice chunk of change. If I was 19, I'd go instruct and slowly build up my time, but I'm not and now I'd consider PFT b/c of my age. GulfStream doesn't appeal to me, but maybe something that is Pay for Training, then flying FO for free might. Also, I think the word scab is going to far. I don't know everyone's situation, but for me it would be b/c of my age and the fact I was able to save up money to allow me to train now. I have no intention of trying to steal someone's job, and if an opportunity to work as an unpaid FO came along I'd take it. I know of small operations in Canada that let FO's fly unpaid b/c the company doesn't have the money to pay them but is willing to let these guys build time. Just my thoughts. Take Care.
I have a friend who went through GS and now flies for SkyWest. Great guy, and I'm sure an excellent pilot. He said without GS he would have never gotten on with SKYW so quickly. Yeah the pay sucks, but it did land him a regional job. I'm neutral on the subject. If you have money, it's your choice on how to spend it. I only have my ppl, but I think if someone can afford to pay for training beyond their CFI/Commercial then why not. I'm 25, and considering to enter commercial aviation. I've gone through university, and worked in the software engineering business for sometime and saved up a nice chunk of change. If I was 19, I'd go instruct and slowly build up my time, but I'm not and now I'd consider PFT b/c of my age. GulfStream doesn't appeal to me, but maybe something that is Pay for Training, then flying FO for free might. Also, I think the word scab is going to far. I don't know everyone's situation, but for me it would be b/c of my age and the fact I was able to save up money to allow me to train now. I have no intention of trying to steal someone's job, and if an opportunity to work as an unpaid FO came along I'd take it. I know of small operations in Canada that let FO's fly unpaid b/c the company doesn't have the money to pay them but is willing to let these guys build time. Just my thoughts. Take Care.
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Well I am certainly not neutral on the subject.
I am sure some people could use that same excuse for other activities too. "Well if i had not sold all this crack, I could not have afforded this Ferrari".. Not that PFT is illegal, but in the same manner, it is not a "victimless" activity to me.
Anytime you do things, like offer to fly for free, or fly for cheaper than what they are paying someone, or even pay to fly, you make it harder on everyone else than has that job next.
There is certainly a lot more to flying, at least to me, than how fast I can get ahead, or how fast I can get some job.
And I certainly dont want to do something that is gonna screw those who come after me.
It also serves to depress wages, and the professionalism (which can sure be lacking at times) in aviation.
I treat flying as a job, which is what it is. Sure, it can be great at times, but its still just a job, whose purpose is to support me. Doing things like flying for free, and paying to fly, are an anathma and something I never have and never will do. Sorry, getting ahead faster than everyone else just aint that important to me
Its not why I got into flying
I am sure some people could use that same excuse for other activities too. "Well if i had not sold all this crack, I could not have afforded this Ferrari".. Not that PFT is illegal, but in the same manner, it is not a "victimless" activity to me.
Anytime you do things, like offer to fly for free, or fly for cheaper than what they are paying someone, or even pay to fly, you make it harder on everyone else than has that job next.
There is certainly a lot more to flying, at least to me, than how fast I can get ahead, or how fast I can get some job.
And I certainly dont want to do something that is gonna screw those who come after me.
It also serves to depress wages, and the professionalism (which can sure be lacking at times) in aviation.
I treat flying as a job, which is what it is. Sure, it can be great at times, but its still just a job, whose purpose is to support me. Doing things like flying for free, and paying to fly, are an anathma and something I never have and never will do. Sorry, getting ahead faster than everyone else just aint that important to me
Its not why I got into flying
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CDNJetPilot
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PFT
I agree with you 414Flyer, and like the fact you want to make flying a more professional career. I'm not trying to get ahead of the queue, but I have friends who have flown in the artic and now fly A330's and friends who have went through GS. All I'm asking, is that if someone is joining this profession late in the game, how can you accumulate time in a quick manner? I'm not trying to defend PFT or start a battle of what is right or wrong, but I won't condemn those who went through PFT. For instance, and this is way off on a tangent, but in Canada there so few staring jobs in aviation. I have a friend who looked for a year to find a job. He now works on a dock in a fishing camp loading fuel into planes. I give him credit, but he is also very young and has lots of years ahead to build time. He 'might' get some hours this year. This is after he went and spent $40G at an aviation college. For me, being a bit older, I'm trying to find a method of getting those first magic 500 hours. And, on a side note, instructing is very very slow here.
I agree with you 414Flyer, and like the fact you want to make flying a more professional career. I'm not trying to get ahead of the queue, but I have friends who have flown in the artic and now fly A330's and friends who have went through GS. All I'm asking, is that if someone is joining this profession late in the game, how can you accumulate time in a quick manner? I'm not trying to defend PFT or start a battle of what is right or wrong, but I won't condemn those who went through PFT. For instance, and this is way off on a tangent, but in Canada there so few staring jobs in aviation. I have a friend who looked for a year to find a job. He now works on a dock in a fishing camp loading fuel into planes. I give him credit, but he is also very young and has lots of years ahead to build time. He 'might' get some hours this year. This is after he went and spent $40G at an aviation college. For me, being a bit older, I'm trying to find a method of getting those first magic 500 hours. And, on a side note, instructing is very very slow here.
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I've got alot of time instructing and I've also learned alot. The only problem is multi time for me. I'm stuck. However, PFT is not the option I want or will choose. I dont agree with taking a "paying job" from a qualified pilot. It's counterproducitve to the entire industry. I have spent alot at college for my education, but it's more dollars than I want to put in for A F/O position. After all, it's not a Type rating by any means.
P.S.....Those of you havent instructed can kiss my A$$. If you pretend you to know how CFI/ CFII have it, please try the job. I'm not bitter, it's taught me alot, but dont discount the job.
I've got alot of time instructing and I've also learned alot. The only problem is multi time for me. I'm stuck. However, PFT is not the option I want or will choose. I dont agree with taking a "paying job" from a qualified pilot. It's counterproducitve to the entire industry. I have spent alot at college for my education, but it's more dollars than I want to put in for A F/O position. After all, it's not a Type rating by any means.
P.S.....Those of you havent instructed can kiss my A$$. If you pretend you to know how CFI/ CFII have it, please try the job. I'm not bitter, it's taught me alot, but dont discount the job.
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P-F-T and Gulfstream
Despite how some people feel, age has nothing to do with P-F-T. "Stuck" has nothing to do with it. Ten years ago, I was "stuck," too, in flight instructing. P-F-T was starting up and I asked myself, is a commuter job, or any job, for that matter, so important that I would pay cash for it? I never heard of P-F-T in any other industry. Notwithstanding the bogus time, impact on other pilots and my career, and con game aspects of it.
CDNJetPilot, you are still a spring chicken. I believe the cutoff for military flight training is either 26 or 27, so you have a few years to go yet before you're put out to pasture. Disregard what your friend said. He probably has yet to experience an interview board of pilots who clawed their way to the top. Go find a flight training program you like, train, and instruct to build hours to the point where 135 and/or commuters will want you. Take it from someone who knows, you'll be far better off in the long run.
Good luck with your training. Come back if you need help with choosing a program.
GooodLaaa, good comments. Good luck with finding some multi time.
Despite how some people feel, age has nothing to do with P-F-T. "Stuck" has nothing to do with it. Ten years ago, I was "stuck," too, in flight instructing. P-F-T was starting up and I asked myself, is a commuter job, or any job, for that matter, so important that I would pay cash for it? I never heard of P-F-T in any other industry. Notwithstanding the bogus time, impact on other pilots and my career, and con game aspects of it.
CDNJetPilot, you are still a spring chicken. I believe the cutoff for military flight training is either 26 or 27, so you have a few years to go yet before you're put out to pasture. Disregard what your friend said. He probably has yet to experience an interview board of pilots who clawed their way to the top. Go find a flight training program you like, train, and instruct to build hours to the point where 135 and/or commuters will want you. Take it from someone who knows, you'll be far better off in the long run.
Good luck with your training. Come back if you need help with choosing a program.
GooodLaaa, good comments. Good luck with finding some multi time.
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Thanks BBSMD, I'm Trying. I know things will pay off some day. After all I"m real young (23), so no rush (other than senority #). Besides, I'm learning alot and living in my hometown. Support is always nice though, I like instructing and it's something I'll continue even after I'm flying something with a burner can. To all CFI/ CFII's just do it and put you time in. It's worth it!
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