Anyone care to see my ATP breakdown??

[Airway]

I think ATP has gotten too expensive in the last couple of years for the amount of real flying time you get. Let's crack some numbers here. Also, consider that ground instruction at ATP is very minimal b/c they send you everything you're supposed to know 3 weeks in advance so you teach it to yourself.

O.K..... for the CFI program you pay $5995 if you have the 8 hrs PIC plus up to $1350 for your check rides. You get up to 7 hrs multi and 5 hours single for that price so 60% of the cost goes to multi and 40% goes to single (creative I know but it gets us in the ball park.)
$5995 + $1350 = $7345
60% of that is $4407/7 hours multi breaks down to $630 per hour
40% of that is $2938/5 hours single breaks down to $587 per hour

Now, if you don't have the 8 hrs PIC multi then you have to do the other course to get the time and that's $6995 + $1350 for check rides = $8345
That gives you up to 15 hours multi and 5 hours single
75% of that is $6259/15 hours multi = $417 per hour
25% of that is $2086/5 hours of single = $417 per hour.

The time that it takes to complete the checkride is part of the PIC time they alot for you so that's why I included it into the cost.


Regarding the 90 day course I decided not to go because I found out that 50 hrs of the the 190 multi they promised were FTD (simulator) time.

O.K here's the icing on the cake:
If you're using ATP ab-initio to regional airlines:
$8995 for 85 hr private pilot program (60 days)
$44995 for 200 hr airline career pilot program (90 days)
$24995 for 170 hr airline transition program (60 days)

EQUALS $78,985 for 455 TT and 240 multi PIC. In 7 months you can be an airline pilot even if you've never sat in a plane before.

You folks know anyone who has done this? Do you think it's possible for someone to be well qualified in 7 months after this kind of training?

You can't break the CFI program down like that because the CFI program includes a week of ALL DAY classroom. You're paying for that, too. You're also getting your CFI done in a fraction of the time. If you compare getting your three ratings at a Mom and Pop FBO and ATP, ATP will come out much cheaper. I did all my training at FBO's and then the CFI program at ATP. Def saved me some money. Granted, I had been flying for almost 5 years before that, I knew how to fly and had a good grasp on the knowledge stuff.

ATP is indeed checkride prep. Had I not had a few years of experience before that, I'd have had a tough time teaching after I got the certs. I suggest, if anyone plans on doing the program, know your stuff before you go and walk in with some experience (at LEAST a couple hundred hours). If you're in the 90 day program, unless you're pretty sharp, you will suck at instructing. 90% of the guys I went to the program with were from the 90 day program and looked and acted like highschool dropouts and were beyond ignorant. I'm talking about not-knowing-which-aileron-goes-up-or-down ignorant. I'm no Ernie Gann, but gimme a break.

That said, some of the instructors were from the 90 day program and were pretty sharp. I guess it takes a certain kind of person.

 

[Ralgha]

You can't break the CFI program down like that because the CFI program includes a week of ALL DAY classroom. You're paying for that, too. You're also getting your CFI done in a fraction of the time. If you compare getting your three ratings at a Mom and Pop FBO and ATP, ATP will come out much cheaper. I did all my training at FBO's and then the CFI program at ATP. Def saved me some money. Granted, I had been flying for almost 5 years before that, I knew how to fly and had a good grasp on the knowledge stuff.

You'll only finish faster if you don't have the motivation to do it at the same speed at the FBO. If you want to do it in a week, a good FBO will help you get it done in a week. For much less green.