- May 20, 2005
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Curious if anyone's been called and placed in that class yet or if it's been filled. Also Aug 31?
MercuryPilot said:I have two friends called for those (E190) classes. My understanding is 4 spots for the 17th and 6 for the 31st. My buddy who took the 31st was told he was filling the last spot for that date and that the 17th had already been filled.
Side note: They were given their choice of aircraft. I don't know what the alternate dates for the 320 classes might have been.
On Your Six said:So, your friends actually chose the E190 classes despite the lower pay rates. Interesting. That airplane is going to be a winner - I have met a few E170 pilots and they love the airplane...
jaxgus said:On the initial assesment the E190 pay rates are lower, especially if you look at them at face value. Please, before making a comment like "your friends actually chose the E190," consider the upgrade time and the actual pay scale at JetBlue. I appreciate your positive comments stating the airplane is going to be a winner, I tend to agree with you. Having been on the aircraft, I think the real winners will be our customers when they learn how comfortable it is. From a pilot's perspective, it looks like a really cool airplane to fly; lot's of need gadgets up front.
First, JetBlue planning a maximum upgrade rate of 10 months. Leadership did some serious math because of concers raised by our pilot population regarding the "unborn" JetBlue pilot when the rates were initially released. The math drove the maximum 10 month upgrade rate with the intent of keeping total compensation between an A320 and E190 new hire nearly equal at the expiration of their equipment lock, 2 years. Actually, the E190 new hire earns more at approximately the 11 month point based on accelerated upgrade rates. Remember, this also dramatically impacts total compensation in the form of 401(k) and profit sharing contributions.
Second, pay rates listed on airlinepilotpay.com are not necessarily indicative of the amounts earned by JetBlue pilots. JetBlue actually budgets on the "blended rate," which is a combination of base and premium pay. It is very difficult to publish a pay table based on the "blended rate" since this depends on how many hours a pilot CHOSES to fly. For budgetary purposes, JetBlue assumes 83 hours per month and the blended rate is higher than the base salary. As an example, the base A320 first year pay is $50.96 per hour, but the blended rate at 83 hours per month equals, $54.95 per hour.
The pay rates are low (required public disclaimer on this message board), but we need to prove this aircraft is going to generate more revenue then its costs. I personally believe there will be an upward adjustment to the rates once the public proves JetBlue's E190 plan is a money maker. Regardless, an E190 new hire makes more money over the course of 2 years than an A320 new hire assuming they have the same DOH.
Guam360 said:please could anyone here answer this?
does everyone so far been called and/or hired, have a 4 years degree?
elaborate abit please if you happen to have and knowledge or insight....
All 143 of the prospective E190 Captains (from our bid this past Spring) are current A320 First Officers. A fence goes up this October for 2 years locking everyone into their a/c. Therefore, anyone who didn't bid (or get) the left seat of the E190 is a/c locked until October 2007. After that point it will be a free-for-all to switch a/c types. All of us who did bid a Captain spot on the E190 will begin our 2 year E190 lock after training.On Your Six: As an FO on the Bus, would you consider bidding the left seat of the E190?
On Your Six said:As an FO on the Bus, would you consider bidding the left seat of the E190? You seem to be a fan - plus, who wants to fly the same aircraft for the rest of your career????? Just my $0.02.