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ABXbooger

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Saw this article on another board and thought it was interesting. I had heard that we had "dibbs" on DAL's 767-200's and since we are almost done with our current order, and the new cargo door STC, thought maybe something might happen? Hopefully! Would make a good replacement for the 8's.

Delta To Drop Boeing 737 Classics 09/15/2004 11:03:13 AM http://aviationnow.com/media/images/x.gifhttp://aviationnow.com/media/images...ta/dalshut1.jpg Delta plans to retire at least four fleet types and cut its fleet size by more than 100 planes, representing 20% of its total fleet in four years as part of its transformation plan, while also investing millions of dollars to upgrade the interiors of aircraft it plans to keep flying.

CEO Jerry Grinstein last week unveiled plans to simplify the fleet by retiring a minimum of four fleet types in four years. The DAILY has learned that the airline will first look to drop its 50 Boeing 737-200s, many of which were part of the acquisition of Western Air Lines. The carrier has 50 737-200s in service and two in storage, according to the Airclaims fleet database. Of the 52 planes, 46 are leased from several lessors, 26 of the latter from GE Capital Aviation Services.

Grinstein told The DAILY in Atlanta that he aims to drop the 737 "classics," which also includes the -300s. The airline has 26 -300s, all of which are leased to the airline. The -300s are ex-Germania planes that were once used in the Shuttle fleet and have 128 seats, compared with the -200s, which have 119 seats. The -300s are powered by CFM56 engines and the -200s by JT8D engines.

Sources also believe the airline will eventually look to drop its 15 older 767-200s, which have an average age of about 21 years, according to Airclaims. The 767-200s have 204 seats but are more expensive to operate than the 180-seat 757s. The 767-200s are all owned by Delta and operated with GE CF6 engines. The airline also may look to drop its fleet of 16 MD-90s, which are operate with different engines than its fleet of 120 MD-88s. The future is also a little cloudy about the airline's 13 MD-11s, all of which are grounded.

While simplifying its fleet may take time, the airline is moving ahead with upgrading its core fleet of MD-88s, 757s and 767-300s, which represent a little more than half of the total fleet. The one-time interior refurbishment aims to create a "new aircraft" standard. The first refurbished MD-88 will start flying this week. The changes include all-leather seats in first and economy class, new carpet, brighter reading lights and refurbished lavatories.

Grinstein said there is still debate internally if and how the airline should upgrade its inflight entertainment system. Delta invested in a new live satellite system across its Song fleet, but he is not convinced that it is the right move for the whole fleet. Grinstein also suggested providing power ports, as many passenger bring their own electronic devices on flights.
 
I know for a fact that some of the 300s are ex Western Airlines to. I just flew on 305WA, a DL 733, and I believe Westerns 2nd 733. That thing was old and it was rare to see an all analog cockpit these days......
 
ABX and Kitty Hawk Q.

Two questions for those in the know....

1. Did the ABX Air DC-9 CP leave and go to Kitty Hawk, and if so do you know why?

2. And in a related question, can anyone at Kitty Hawk confirmor deny that you are working on an ACMI agreement with DHL?

Thanks......
 
yes the CP did leave for Kitty Hawk, VP Flight Ops I think.
 
It's the DC9 assistant chief pilot who's so junior that his seniority number was either furloughed or nearly furloughed (though he would have kept his assistant cp job, of course). I haven't heard why he left but I don't think he was very happy in his position and certainly wasn't in line for any "v.p." positions anytimes soon. He didn't appear to have much interest in a line job, just management. He also tended to be critical of flight management at times.

In other news, they posted a proffer for eight DC9 F/Os with the class starting on October 4th. That should certainly generate some recalls.
 
LJ-ABX said:
In other news, they posted a proffer for eight DC9 F/Os with the class starting on October 4th. That should certainly generate some recalls.
Unfortunately don't hold your breath waiting for any recalls. My source in ABX flight management tells me that the "Bob's" privately admit ABX is understaffed but they are not going to recall anyone else because according to DHL, ABX is set to lose routes and aircraft when the final system realignment between ABX and Astar is finished.
 
AV8OR said:
Two questions for those in the know....

1. Did the ABX Air DC-9 CP leave and go to Kitty Hawk, and if so do you know why?

2. And in a related question, can anyone at Kitty Hawk confirmor deny that you are working on an ACMI agreement with DHL?

Thanks......
Maybe Clifton will bring them some "inside information" ? :)
 
If they don't recall any additional furloughees then the current DC9 F/O bid will go insufficient with only the four current, and in traiing, DC8 SOs bidding it. Why would they publish a bid for eight vacancies if they intended for half of them to go unfilled?
 
LJ-ABX said:
If they don't recall any additional furloughees then the current DC9 F/O bid will go insufficient with only the four current, and in traiing, DC8 SOs bidding it. Why would they publish a bid for eight vacancies if they intended for half of them to go unfilled?
ABX is manned by junior manning anyway so why would this be any different? If it does go insufficient they will just JM to fly the trips.
 
UPSer said:
ABX is manned by junior manning anyway so why would this be any different? If it does go insufficient they will just JM to fly the trips.
I don't know where you get that idea. In August there was a total of two trips assigned to DC9 F/Os via junior manning. I haven't been junior manned in five years. September and October will be more but that's why they posted the new class. They'll need another class, or two, to get back to the levels that they've had for the last few years.
 
I get my facts straight from a flight standards source that he and I would prefer to remain annonymous. According to my source, the fact remains that ABX will not consider a possible recall until they hear from DHL on the system realignments, and unfortunately since DHL has hinted at probable loss of routes, a recall is unlikely anytime soon.
 
Moe? Not sure if he'd be a better source than an unidentified flight standards pilot.

The union was notified today that eight more crewmembers are being recalled. That leaves no more than 20 remaining on furlough.
 
LJ-ABX said:
Moe? Not sure if he'd be a better source than an unidentified flight standards pilot.

The union was notified today that eight more crewmembers are being recalled. That leaves no more than 20 remaining on furlough.
My source was wrong. Congrats on the recalls.
 
I also heard that there where conditional recalls put out to all currently furloughed pilots.

Sure am glad I won't have to sit sideways anymore...
 
LJ-ABX said:
Moe? Not sure if he'd be a better source than an unidentified flight standards pilot.

The union was notified today that eight more crewmembers are being recalled. That leaves no more than 20 remaining on furlough.

Do you think they will come back? How long have they been furloughed?
 
Some will come back, some won't. The company sent conditional notices to all of the furloughees so that the class can be filled even if some bypass recall.

They've been furloughed for a while. Two to three years, maybe?
 
ABXbooger said:
Sure am glad I won't have to sit sideways anymore...
So what did they tell you guys? Are you moving right into the DC9 class in 2½ weeks or are they keeping you on the panel for now?
 
I am being told that if I do get the proffer (5 PFE's would have to go to miss me) we are going to start class the 4th. The proffer is going to be filled with recalls and they have to give them 21 days to come back, so, if they don't want to come back sooner they are going to have a class later also. I am being told that we are staying in SO class until the end of groundschool, no sim.

I have talked with some of the furloughees getting calls, many have bypassed, and in past talks with some of the more junior furloughs, they have moved on permanently. It wouldn't suprise me to see this get all the way to the bottom.

Also was told that there will be more DC-8 pilot positions to be filled due to the new charter, so they are filling the 9 to then later rob more people to fill the 8...more recalls????
 
All of the B767 and DC8 proffers filter down to the DC9 in one way or another and they've had a series of proffers over the past few months without replacing any of the DC9 F/Os. We're about 20 to 25 short on the DC9 F/O list, compared to where we've been over the last few years, so they certainly need to have some DC9 F/O classes before having any more 767 or DC8 classes.

Let us know when you hear more about the recalls or new classes.
 
The Northern Kentucky airport operation currently employs 2,000, said Michael Schmitt, director of hub development for DHL. Combining the operations will add only seven jet transports to the 99 currently flying out of Wilmington each night. DHL now has 50 flights from Northern Kentucky each night.

Does this mean that after cvg ops moves to iln there will only be seven more flights?
http://www.cincypost.com/2004/09/20/dhl092004.html
 
Unless ASTAR is running their airplanes around practically empty (which I doubt) they're going to need a lot more than seven more airplanes than what ABX has in ILN. Perhaps the ILN count only initially increases by eight while the other aircraft move to the regional hubs, shuttle flights, etc. that they've been talking about?

ILN has been running at near December weights with extra sections to some cities due to weights.
 
Come on, everybody, read the piece. This is all conjecture from politicians who are trying to justify to their constituents how they can give up the tax breaks. Amazing how easily a reporter from a paper can find out the future of our company and our managment keeps insisting they have no clue........

I really think there is going to be plenty to go around for everyone and then some. I had a conversation with a Fedex employee the other day and when he found out I work for DHL (sort of) he said that all they keep hearing was how DHL was going to grow. No mention of UPS, just DHL. It's gonna happen, give it time.
 
The new charter is for Emery, it is a good deal.
 

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